Curved and Straight Tonearms

Dear @halcro : """  At any rate....analogue-lovers willing to pay these prices for 35 year-old tonearms will do so knowing what these arms can do,..... """


that's the " trouible " with FR owners that like you: DID NOT CATCH YET WHAT THESE ARMS CAN DO ! ! ! ! 

but I hope that before any one die can learn about. Don't be too late halcro.


Btw, @lewm : I used for a while the FR 66/64 and Ikeda tonearms since ( through the time. ) I learned the critical importance to mount a cartridge always in a well damped tonearm because is what any single cartridge asks for it can shows us its real and true quality level performance.
FR are totally all metal undamped design and additional has that " terrible " VTF resonant mechanism that preclude its use with a cartridge. This is just common sense and if you have a decent well damped design with the rigth audio system comparisons in between is really easy. You know very well when I say: " rigth audio system "..
I can't use any more a single piece of audio that I know for sure that in inherent way  does not helps to lower distortions/colorations in the system but the other way around. 
Lewm, knowing you I'm sure that if you already have ( that you have not, yet. ) that kind of knowledge/experiences you will do the same than me.


Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.

rauliruegas
7,978 posts
07-05-2017 3:12am
Dear @dover : Of course I know exactly how to set up that arm.

My post to @lewm was taking in count what the manual says:

""" Note 2): the lateral balance device is provided to correct for the sideways tendency in tonearm movement that occurs when the TT cabinet is not used on a horizontal stand. Practically speaking no problems will occurif the TT is installed level. Therefore, you ordinary don’t need to pay too much attention to this adjustement ".

Raul,
It is clear that you do not know how to set up the FR64S correctly.
"Adjustment" in English means 'do not move from the neutral position'.
The 'neutral position' for the Lateral Balance is 5mm in from the end of the shaft as is explained clearly in the manual.

rauliruegas
7,976 posts
07-04-2017 6:20am
Dear @lewm : You are rigth, it’s a J shapped design. Now, FR designed that lateral weigth balance mainly to compensate a non-perfectly leveled TT. Normally in the FR design that lateral weigth is not used if the TT is rigth on level. FR explained in its manual.

In this post you were wrong when you advised people to "not use" the lateral balance.

As regards the "Dynavector Karat Nova" you say 

rauliruegas
7,978 posts
07-05-2017 3:12amI owned the Dyna Karat that comes with a " terrible/poor " dedicated headshell and I never used the cartridge with that headshell .

Raul,
How is it possible for you to conclude that the dedicated headshell provided with the Dynavector Karat Nova is "terrible" when you say that you never used it. That conclusion would appear to be fanciful at best.

rauliruegas
7,978 posts
07-05-2017 3:12amI
the very high level of frustration you have with me for long time because because many times showed you level of ignorance in discussions. That level of ignorance is different from my ignorance levels.

Raul,
Thank you for those kind words. I leave you with a quote to reflect upon from Daniel Boorstin -
“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”

Dover : I can see that you return for more more and push me to give an answer, good.


"""  This is not the first time that you have made big mistakes in setting up your equipment, I previously highlighted to you that you had installed your Dynavector Karat Nova ..... """

what you have in your link it was not a SET UP in my system. Even in the other pictures in that Agon advertasing ( where you took your link. ) the cartridge was mounted ( just for the sale pictures. ) in a tonearm that was not mounted in my system or a TT. So the only purpose of your link is to " hit " me but you can touch me with that no-sense post.

"""  In this post you were wrong when you advised people to "not use" the lateral balance """

I'm not given an advise for not use it but only what is in the manual that maybe Lewm did not read ( I know now that he had not the manual. ).


"""  headshell provided with the Dynavector Karat Nova is "terrible" when you say that you never used it. """

Use something for me is to do it regulary and I never used the 13D with that headshell. Was enough when I received it to mount just as it came to decided to mount in other headshell. In those times I was convinced of the importance to mate a cartridge with the rigth headshell. but you did it the same because you used the Karat Nova with an Ikeda headshell in the Dyna tonearm. 


Your recrimination posts proves nothing of what you want to prove.

Instead of follow losting your time with those kind of posts try to be a better audiophile growing up to do it. I know is not easy for you when exist one or more tubes in your system, with no future here but you can follow enjoying your " terrible " FR. Great combination: tubes and FR !

R.

As an owner of multiple FR tonearms including the FR66s and also have set u quite a number of FR arms for others, all I can say it is a very good Tonearm if coupled to the right cartridge. This is a very heavy Tonearm and best suited to very low compliance cartridges. Properly setting up the lateral balance weight is critical for that arm to work properly. There is a proper way of doing this. And honestly the weight almost always stays at the end of the shaft. That is from my vast experiences setting up these arms. 

Genesis, I am using mine with a lightweight, non-FR, headshell, on which is mounted an Acutex LPM 320STR cartridge. I was prepared not to like this combination or to have a problem with bass response, at the very least, but I find that I do like it, and by this time I have been listening to it for nearly a year, off and on.  The bass has great definition within the musical envelope, with no hangover or spurious rumble. From what I have read, the FR headshells by themselves are quite heavy, and I assume therefore that they account for a significant fraction of the OEM effective mass of an FR64S.  I am also guessing that with my lightweight headshell, the effective mass is markedly reduced, although I haven't calculated it.  

Finally, the basis for Raul's criticism of these tonearms seems to be that they lack damping.  I have noted previously that in fact the pivot does seem to contain some viscous liquid that actually probably does provide a bit of damping. I infer this from the fact that at cold temperatures, the bearing becomes a bit stiff, overdamped in fact.  So, I think what might be going on is that Raul has a fact and an observation that he believes correlate. Fact: the tonearm has no damping (he assumes). Observation: He doesn't like this tonearm.  He is drawing a correlation between his listening experience and a principle of construction that may not be valid. We audiophiles commit this sin of attribution all the time. What is valid is his personal opinion that he does not like the FR tonearms, for whatever reason. I am fine with that. I wish he could stop by and hear mine.