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The underpinning is that a ’fact’ is a name, a moniker, a logic misnomer... for a highly predicable theory. But it remains theory.

The use of the word ’law’ in science is also an attempt to put social and cultural group pressure on individuals to conform or be punished by the group. At least this is part of the traditional meaning of the use of the word law. Thus we can see the the word law remains as being in the world of human social/cultural structure and in the supposed world of logic, has zero place in the world of science.

So we can have the word law in the world of science, if we are looking to prosecute people and possibly kill, ostracize or beat them to death, in public, for ’violating’ laws. Which, according to the tenants of science, is patently absurd and against the very fabric of science and what it is supposed to stand for.

But the word works very well in religion. Is science with laws -- a form of dogmatism?

> Let me guess. You’re an English major? A Drama major? A Religion major? But seriously, it is not really too difficult to demonstrate to anyone that the world is flat, that the speed of light in constant in the universe, or that there are black holes in the center of most galaxies, including ours. Of course if one’s mind is closed it makes it more difficult. It is also fairly easy to show that there was (almost certainly) a Big Bang, that the universe is around 14 billion years old, that the universe is expanding, that there are gravity waves from colliding black holes, There are such things as truths and facts in science. Why pretend there aren’t. Are you trying to be Juror #10? "You can’t prove it!" Man discovers or uncovers reality of the world and universe around him by observing, theorizing, experimenting, by mathematical or experimental proof and/or by weighing the preponderance of evidence. And by establishing Laws and theories that he believes govern phyically reality. Some theories like atomic theory is evolutionary in the sense it is ever getting more complete and more complex.

Thank you for putting the word belief in there. Truths and facts exist for engineers and engineers alone. Well, for them and the religious, anyway.

No scientist would ever use facts, they have only theories. Go ahead, ask someone with a doctorate in any of the fields of physics, whether there are any laws and facts in science.

You will get a strong no from all of them. If you get a yes, then be assured, you are talking with an extreme minority. If you talk with a university professor in the realm of physics, you will also find out that they don’t teach facts or laws, they teach theory, and theory alone. For all the right reasons. When talking to the average person they might go for facts and laws, but when dealing with the new or exploring the new, everything reverts to the theory aspect.

When you start to play with the edges of proof and conceptual aspects, like with this subject of fuses and whatnot, things get complex and facts and laws have a long history of getting in the way (when we play in the rarefied reaches of the known). Thus, they revert to theory, which is what they really are.

I’m trying to make it abundantly clear that only theories exist, and there are no facts and laws. And that -- is the underlying force behind reason and exploration in science. It is absolutely critical that exploration go forward under such a mindset, a mindset that is not kneecapped by facts and laws before it even takes a step. All of science in it’s exploration agrees with this, even if you rarely hear them say it.

Teo, why pick me to become unhinged on? I don’t get it. If you want to get into some weird pseudo philosophical argument with me you’re barking up the wrong tree. Fortunately the world is not as complex, unfathomable, opaque, impenetrable, mysterious, theoretical or uncertain as you portray it to be.

only an idiot would claim there are no facts

why pick me to become unhinged on?

I believe because it’s oh so easy to do.
Can you give some other technical forums you visit so we can see what they think of you there also?

Cheers George