Directionality of wire

Re 1936 Michigan Study on wire directionality vs conductivity. Quick synopsis: Old news and contributes little to what we know. We already know that the measured differences in wire conductivity are quite small from the fuse measurement data on the HiFi Tuning website. We also know that the small differences don’t really seem to completely account for the (relatively larger) sonic differences the folks at HiFi Tuning heard when flipping fuses; in fact they - HiFi Tuning -acknowledge that apparent discrepancy in the data sheets. Nevertheless there are measured differences in resistance/conductivity. If wire wasn’t directional wouldn’t one expect no differences at all? Remember, the whole issue is SOUND QUALITY. So wouldn’t it make more sense if skeptics, in order to be more thorough and get to the bottom of this, actually performanced their own LISTENING TESTS? The hallmark of real skepticism is the curiosity and desire to experiment and test for one’s self.

@shadorne,

"Exactly. Whatever experience that can be measured repeatedly and independently becomes accepted verifiable fact. What cannot or has not been successfully measured repeatedly and independently is in the realm of conjecture or hypothesis or 'marketing hype' or 'unsubstantiated claims'."


Agreed, all except that this leaves no possible room for personal observation. Yes, anyone can come forward and falsify an observation, but that is merely a complication of truth, not an elimination of it...simply because a false claim can exist does not mean that therefore a True claim Cannot exist.

What you claim in the above is essentially a denial of truth itself. Any verification of truth can potentially and legitimately originate from an observation. Without being granted that possible avenue of acceptance, the truth (according to what you said) is blocked from from ever becoming recognized.

That's a complete denial of the scientific method...which always begins with an observation, btw.

@shadorne

In the above I neglected to quote your entire post actually, sorry about that.

What I’m saying is that being paralyzed by the fact that there may be false claims afoot, in any circumstance, is essentially a form of hysteria.
In that case, as you point out, Nothing can be trusted...not even our own instincts to arrive at the truth for ourselves...!

Dude....chill...

Let’s clear up one thing. The accusation of hype and unsubstantiated claims is a common pseudo skeptic ploy but be aware there’s actually nothing wrong with marketing one’s product, even using hyperbole or what Judge Judy refers to as puffing. You know, like World’s Best Coffee. Or, "you will hear things in your records you never realized were there."

Audio manufacturers, perhaps in particular tweak manufacturers, are under NO OBLIGATION to reveal measurements or method of operation or prove the operation of their products. That they are under any such obligation is an old wives’ tale perpetrated by naysayers and pseudo skeptics who employ that tactic all the time as if it means something, like bringing up controlled bind tests as if some device or tweak under would be proven a hoax if it were subjected to controlled blind tests.

Getting back to reality, the manufacturer might not know how his particular product works. Or he may wish to keep the information under his vest. In fact, as I just pointed out earlier, HiFi Tuning admits perhaps even a little sheepishly 🐑 🐑 on their web site that measured data of fuses doesn’t really completely explain the relatively large differences heard in listening tests. Hel-loo! But at least they tried. You know, unlike pseudo skeptics.

True enough. Caveat emptor. Wouldn't have it any other way, myself.

I was only trying to focus on the theory 'apart from fact' in an effort to get a sense of what is in the minds of those who believe things like wire directionality might be real....or maybe I should say 'theory "apart from established fact"...or is it "apart from already established fact"??....or "the most familiar already established universally accepted fact"???....or whatever level of truth needs to be met - sometimes that makes my head hurt.

I myself have heard the directionality effect a few times over the last few years. Sometimes I've heard it when I didn't expect to. Sometimes I didn't hear it when I was expecting to. But, when on those (few) occasions that I did repeatedly hear it, most often I heard it a little more plainly with fuses than with wire in my setup.

Oddly, I can no longer hear the effect under my roof. I've been steadily acquiring more and more electronic noise reduction gear (quantum based) from Alan Maher Designs since coming across that site in 2010. Slowly since then the effect has started growing noticeably weaker as my system improved in sound and performance. Now I can switch out seemingly any wire or fuse and even while hearing an improvement or at least change in sound vs the original wire or fuse, I no longer can audibly detect any delta from directionality, no matter what the test. As if the rest of my system's performance has improved to the point as to 'swallow up' the differences, perhaps??...not really sure... I do know all the "hifi-ness" is gone...almost as if directionality and hifi-ness were somehow being 'bouyed up by electrical noise' as it were.

I can't explain or account for why that would be the case, I just know that it is.