My Long List of Amplifiers and My Personal Review of Each!


So I have been in a long journey looking to find the best amplifiers for my martin logan montis. As you know, the match between an amplifier and speakers has to be a good "marriage" and needs to be blend exquisitely. Right now, I think I might have found the best sounding amplifier for martin logan. I have gone through approximately 34-36 amplifiers in the past 12 months. Some of these are:

Bryston ST, SST, SST2 series
NAD M25
PARASOUND HALO
PARASOUND CLASSIC
KRELL TAS
KRELL KAV 500
KRELL CHORUS
ROTEL RMB 1095
CLASSE CT 5300
CLASSE CA 2200
CLASSE CA 5200
MCINTOSH MC 205
CARY AUDIO CINEMA 7
OUTLAW AUDIO 755
LEXICON RX7
PASS LABS XA 30.8
BUTLER AUDIO 5150
ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005

With all that said, the amplifiers I mentioned above are the ones that in my opinion are worth mentioning. To make a long story short, there is NO 5 CHANNEL POWER AMP that sounds as good as a 3ch and 2ch amplifier combination. i have done both experiments and the truth is that YOU DO lose details and more channel separation,etc when you select a 5 channel power amplifier of any manufacturer.
My recollection of what each amp sounded like is as follows:

ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005 (great power and amazing soundstage. Very low noise floor, BUT this amplifiers NEEDS TO BE cranked up in order to fully enjoy it. If you like listening at low volume levels or somewhat moderate, you are wasting your time here. This amp won’t sound any different than many other brands out there at this volume. The bass is great, good highs although they are a bit bright for my taste)

NAD M25 (very smooth, powerful, but somewhat thin sounding as far as bass goes)
Bryston sst2(detailed, good soundstage, good power, but can be a little forward with certain speakers which could make them ear fatiguing at loud volumes)

Krell (fast sounding, nice bass attack, nice highs, but some detail does get lost with certain speakers)

rotel (good amp for the money, but too bright in my opinion)

cary audio (good sound overall, very musical, but it didn’t have enough oomph)

parasound halo (good detail, great bass, but it still holds back some background detail that i can hear in others)

lexicon (very laid back and smooth. huge power, but if you like more detail or crisper highs, this amp will disappoint you)

McIntosh mc205 (probably the worst multichannel amp given its price point. it was too thin sounding, had detail but lacked bass.

butler audio (good amplifier. very warm and smooth sweet sounding. i think for the money, this is a better amp than the parasound a51)

pass labs (very VERY musical with excellent bass control. You can listen to this for hours and hours without getting ear fatigue. however, it DOES NOT do well in home theater applications if all you have is a 2 channel set up for movies. The midrange gets somewhat "muddy" or very weak sounding that you find yourself trying to turn it up.

classe audio (best amplifier for multi channel applications. i simply COULDNT FIND a better multi channel amplifier PERIOD. IT has amazing smoothness, amazing power and good bass control although i would say krell has much better bass control)

Update: The reviews above were done in January 2015. Below is my newest update as of October 2016:



PS AUDIO BHK 300 MONOBLOCKS: Amazing amps. Tons of detail and really amazing midrange. the bass is amazing too, but the one thing i will say is that those of you with speakers efficiency of 87db and below you will not have all the "loudness" that you may want from time to time. These amps go into protection mode when using a speaker such as the Salon, but only at very loud levels. Maybe 97db and above. If you don’t listen to extreme crazy levels, these amps will please you in every way.

Plinius Odeon 7 channel amp: This is THE BEST multichannel amp i have ever owned. Far , but FAR SUPERIOR to any other multichannel amp i have owned. In my opinion it destroyed all of the multichannel amps i mentioned above and below. The Odeon is an amp that is in a different tier group and it is in a league of its own. Amazing bass, treble and it made my center channel sound more articulate than ever before. The voices where never scrambled with the action scenes. It just separated everything very nicely.

Theta Dreadnaught D: Good detailed amp. Looks very elegant, has a pleasant sound, but i found it a tad too bright for my taste. I thought it was also somewhat "thin" sounding lacking body to the music. could be that it is because it is class d?

Krell Duo 300: Good amp. Nice and detailed with enough power to handle most speakers out there. I found that it does have a very nice "3d" sound through my electrostatics. Nothing to fault here on this amp.
Mark Levinson 532H: Great 2 channel amp. Lots of detail, amazing midrange which is what Mark Levinson is known for. It sounds very holographic and will please those of you looking for more detail and a better midrange. As far as bass, it is there, but it is not going to give you the slam of a pass labs 350.5 or JC1s for example. It is great for those that appreciate classical music, instrumental, etc, but not those of you who love tons of deep bass.

 It is articulate sounding too
Krell 7200: Plenty of detail and enough power for most people. i found that my rear speakers contained more information after installed this amp. One thing that i hated is that you must use xlr cables with this amp or else you lose most of its sound performance when using RCA’s.

Krell 402e: Great amp. Very powerful and will handle any speaker you wish. Power is incredible and with great detail. That said, i didn’t get all the bass that most reviewers mentioned. I thought it was "ok" in regards to bass. It was there, but it didn’t slam me to my listening chair.

Bryston 4B3: Good amp with a complete sound. I think this amp is more laid back than the SST2 version. I think those of you who found the SST2 version of this amp a little too forward with your speakers will definitely benefit from this amp’s warmth. Bryston has gone towards the "warm" side in my opinion with their new SST3 series. As always, they are built like tanks. I wouldn’t call this amp tube-like, but rather closer to what the classe audio delta 2 series sound like which is on the warm side of things.

Parasound JC1s: Good powerful amps. Amazing low end punch (far superior bass than the 402e). This amp is the amp that i consider complete from top to bottom in regards to sound. Nothing is lacking other than perhaps a nicer chassis. Parasound needs to rework their external appearance when they introduce new amps. This amp would sell much more if it had a revised external appearance because the sound is a great bang for the money. It made my 800 Nautilus scream and slam. Again, amazing low end punch.

Simaudio W7: Good detailed amp. This amp reminds me a lot of the Mark Levinson 532h. Great detail and very articulate. I think this amp will go well with bookshelves that are ported in order to compensate for what it lacks when it comes to the bass. That doesn’t mean it has no bass, but when it is no Parasound JC1 either.
Pass labs 350.5: Wow, where do i begin? maybe my first time around with the xa30.8 wasn’t as special as it was with this monster 350.5. It is just SPECTACULAR sounding with my electrostatics. The bass was THE BEST BASS i have ever heard from ANY amp period. The only amp that comes close would be the jC1s. It made me check my settings to make sure the bass was not boosted and kept making my jaw drop each time i heard it. It totally destroyed the krell 402e in every regard. The krell sounded too "flat" when compared to this amp. This amp had amazing mirange with great detail up top. In my opinion, this amp is the best bang for the money. i loved this amp so much that i ended up buying the amp that follows below.

Pass labs 250.8: What can i say here. This is THE BEST STEREO AMP i have ever heard. This amp destroys all the amps i have listed above today to include the pass labs 350.5. It is a refined 350.5 amp. It has more 3d sound which is something the 350.5 lacked. It has a level of detail that i really have never experienced before and the bass was amazing as well. I really thought it was the most complete power amplifier i have ever heard HANDS DOWN. To me, this is a benchmark of an amplifier. This is the amp that others should be judged by. NOTHING is lacking and right now it is the #1 amplifier that i have ever owned.

My current amps are Mcintosh MC601s: i decided to give these 601s a try and they don’t disappoint. They have great detail, HUGE soundstage, MASSIVE power and great midrange/highs. The bass is great, but it is no pass labs 250.8 or 350.5. As far as looks, these are the best looking amps i have ever owned. No contest there. i gotta be honest with you all, i never bought mcintosh monos before because i wasn’t really "wowed" by the mc452, but it could have been also because at that time i was using a processor as a preamp which i no longer do. Today, i own the Mcintosh C1100 2 chassis tube preamp which sounds unbelievable. All the amps i just described above have been amps that i auditioned with the C1100 as a preamp. The MC601s sound great without a doubt, but i will say that if you are looking for THE BEST sound for the money, these would not be it. However, Mcintosh remains UNMATCHED when it comes to looks and also resale value. Every other amp above depreciates much faster than Mcintosh.

That said, my future purchase (when i can find a steal of a deal) will be the Pass labs 350.8. I am tempted to make a preliminary statement which is that i feel this amp could be THE BEST stereo amp under 30k dollars. Again, i will be able to say more and confirm once i own it. I hope this update can help you all in your buying decisions!


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Sorry to hijack this thread, but I see we diverted into processors just a bit. I do have several comments (I’m sure this belongs in Home Theater section, but several of you are talking about this here).

Bryston SP2 - (Class A discrete audio) This was my first major processor upgrade from an old Sunfire Theater Grand. The Bryston was an extraordinary upgrade. This SP2 model had a lot of attack and detail, however over time I realized that it didn’t really have much decay or fullness. Also, I always felt that I had to really turn it up to hear stuff or have good impact from movies.

Krell HTS 7.1 - (Class A discrete audio) I switched over to this from the Bryston after reading a long posting from a guy over on AVSForum which had the HTS on his short list. This was back in 2005 and I would probably consider that guy the "whitecamaross" of processors for that time, lol. The Krell was amazing and sounded so much stronger than the Bryston. The entire sound spectrum came across much stronger and had so much more impact. Everything "sang" as well. I loved this processor for 10 years.

Emotiva XMC-1 - (lower cost op amps) after moving over to a set of Emotiva XPA amps (which I loved and were excellent), I gave this processor a shot from all the hype that was coming out of this item. The sound was nice, but it was somewhat closed-in. It also did not have the resolution and "separation of instruments" that the Krell had. I would say that this is an excellent choice for someone who is under budget constraints. I have no idea how this compares with the likes of Marantz or Anthem.

Theta Casablanca IV - (discrete/opamp) My brief experience with this processor did not work out for me. I really loved the configuration of the processor and the idea that HDMI is a pure passthrough. Engineering design approach looked very good. However, I just could not get the processor to sound good in my system. The audio output stages are all solid-state and are not Class A circuits. The Extreme card appears to use some sort of resistor-ladder or resistor-switching circuits in the I/V and output stages. The Supreme II card uses a fully differential op amp for I/V and output. The sound was extremely clean, but it just did not "sing" like my Krell HTS 7.1 did. Knowing what I know now (after about 2-3 years of R&D and experimentation with different types of opamp/discrete analog circuits), I think the Theta processor would mate well with a warmer amplifier that has a high bias into Class A (i.e Pass Labs, Parasound JC1, Aragon 8008/Palladium/Iridium, etc.). I had very strong/fast Class AB amps and they just did not work well with the harsh solid-state sound of the Theta.

Bryston SP3 - (discrete Class A audio) I took a shot at this. Like the Theta, it also had a passthrough HDMI (no video processing). I tried a lot with this processor. However, in the end it was just too laid back for me. This coincides with Whitecommaross experiences that Bryston has changed it’s SP3/Cubed product generation to be more laid back. The bass response of this processor was just outstanding. There was so much low frequency energy in the room that it was shaking ceiling joists and my projector frame. However, all the action, voices and music just did not cut through. There was not enough of an impact for me. Everything seemed too far away or laid back. I also felt that it seemed that I could never turn it up enough for impact (just like the older SP2). Bell sounds came across excellent and natural, however. I think part of the root cause is the Bryston approach to circuit design. The Bryston has a very large main power supply. However, after the +/-24V and +/-15V voltage regulators, there is hardly any capacitance (only a 10uf post regulator). There are no power capacitors surrounding the analog circuits so the Bryston circuits do not have enough "immediate" voltage to respond to the very fast transients of the mids/highs. In comparison, looking at the Krell Class A discrete circuits, you can see that each analog circuit (equivalent of a single-channel opamp) has about six 47uf capacitors mounted right there. This give the Krell the extra muscle to respond to the fast mids/highs.

Krell S1200U-3D - (Class A discrete audio). This is the processor that I have finally ended up with and that I love dearly. I probably should have kept to Krell because I loved my HTS 7.1, but I wanted to see if I could get something better. This carries the same sonic signature of the HTS 7.1, but now I can support the hi-res bluray audio (TruHD/ DTS-MA HD). I will say that the Krell processor (and their low-end preamp) have an undersize power supply. I ended up soldering a additional 15,000uf into to each of the +17V and -17V power supplies, and an addition 10,000uf to the 5V digital DAC ref power supply. This completely fixed the lean bass and upper mid shoutiness/forwardness of the Krell. The bluray audio is amazing now. So much that standard DVD dolby digital sounds dirty/grainy to me and satellite DirecTV dolby digital is just horrible in comparison, lol..

I did not try McIntosh processor, but I did really look into it (I may have tried the MX121). The overall McIntosh architecture design is excellent and they make a very good power supply. However, it is still op amp based circuit and I was also scared from the many reports of firmware bugs that McIntosh never fixes

In comparison, I found a firmware bug in my Krell S1200 earlier this year where it was incorrectly applying Dynamic Compression to DTS-MA movie soundtracks. Krell had this firmware fixed and emailed to me within a week!! (which was totally surprising from Krell and even for a discontinued product!!).

I did not try the Classe SSP-800 because it also had op amp architecture, but it was on my short list if the others did not work out. I do not care about 4K, dolby atmos, DTS:X, or room correction.

The duo 300 and preamp should be very good. I had the duo and it was good. That said, I will be very honest and say to you the pass Labs 350.8 Kills it especially with Martin Logans. Logans sound AMAZING with pass labs. I've said this many times. I wouldn't even try anything else with them. Trust me on this. 
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