Cable Survey

@geoffkait 

Several points here.

1. I stated my credentials simply to elucidate why I reject the pseudo scientific narratives about "the sound of cables". There was not argument from you or anyone else that needed to be refuted on its merits. So, no argument from authority happened here.

2. But, let's make this exchange interesting. Do you want to discuss cables? Fine, lets do that.

a) As a starting point -- what proof do you have that different cables result in different sound? Have you conducted any blind tests and recorded the results? Can you demonstrate statistically significant results that support the claim that cables influence sound? Can you show me your data, the conditions of the experiment/test and your statistical analysis?

b) Have you measured the voltage at the speaker's terminals when you used different cables? What differences have you found? Have you listened to the same cables in a blind test? What statistically significant differences in the subjective perception have you found? Show me your data, the conditions of the experiment/test and your statistical analysis.

c) Have you correlated the price and the subjective performance of different cables in a blind experiment? What have you found?

d) Does it matter? I will not convince you and you will not convince me. :))

GET SOME CABLES FROM A DEALER LIKE BLUE JEAN CABLE OR SIMILILAY PRICED CABLE COMPANIES  AND YOU'LL NOTICE NO DIFFERENCE AND SAVE YOURSELF PLENTY OF CASH!   ALL THESE FANCY CABLE COMPANIES SAY THIER CABLE WILL DO WONDERS FOR YOUR SYSTEM.  ALL THE PHRASES USED ARE UN MEASUREABLE SUBJECTIVE CLAIMS,  "WIDER SIDE STAGE, , MORE TRANSPARENT," ETC.  SEE IF THEY WOULD DO A BLIND TEST BETWEEN THEIR CABLES ,( USED TO BE CALLED SPEAKER WIRE UNTIL THEY RAISED THE PRICES AND HAD MAKE THE PRODUCT NAME  JUSTIFY THE EXORBADANT COSTS). ,., AND SOME GERNERIC CABLES. WONT HAPPEN!  ALOT OF THESE BIG COMPANIES GET THEIR WIRE IN BULK FRON CHINA, AND THE LIKE AND YOU PAY A HEFTER PREMIUM! iT'  FOR THOSE THAT CAN AFFORED TO PAY 5K -10K FOR SPEAKER WIRE I UNDERSTAND AND IT MAKES YOUFEEL BETTER. MANY OF THESE WIRES LOOK AWESOME.IT;S LIKE HAVING THAT ROLEX WATCH , FINELY MADE, AND ITS A STATUS THING. TELLS TIME LIKE A THOUSAND OTHER WATCHES. THIS IS MY OPINION WITH 40 + YEARS IN THE BUSINESS.  SO PUT YOUR HARTD EARNED $ INTO YOUR SPEAKERS, WHICH i BELIVE HAVE THE LARGEST EFFECT IN QUALITY SOUND.

Whoa! Another excellent example of Appeal to Authority. Once I read, "I have 40+ Years in the business" all the errors in the screed suddenly made sense. For example, just one of many errors, high end cable manufacturers don’t get their wire from China, they get it from Japan. Geez, everybody knows that. Oh, by the way, your spell checker is kaput.

Note to self: How come these loud vociferous newcomers threaten everyone with blind tests? Didn't they get the memo that blind tests don't mean anything?

mmrkaic
@geoffkait

Several points here.

1. I stated my credentials simply to elucidate why I reject the pseudo scientific narratives about "the sound of cables". There was not argument from you or anyone else that needed to be refuted on its merits. So, no argument from authority happened here.

>>>>By pseudo scientific narratives I assume you mean explanations or claims you disagree with. Nice touch.

2. But, let’s make this exchange interesting. Do you want to discuss cables? Fine, lets do that.

>>>>No, I don’t want to discuss cables. What would be the point?

a) As a starting point -- what proof do you have that different cables result in different sound? Have you conducted any blind tests and recorded the results? Can you demonstrate statistically significant results that support the claim that cables influence sound? Can you show me your data, the conditions of the experiment/test and your statistical analysis?

>>>>>I have no proof. I do not conduct blind tests nor do I believe results of blind tests are conclusive of anything.

b) Have you measured the voltage at the speaker’s terminals when you used different cables? What differences have you found? Have you listened to the same cables in a blind test? What statistically significant differences in the subjective perception have you found? Show me your data, the conditions of the experiment/test and your statistical analysis.

>>>>No, I have not measured the voltage of cables. I have not measured capacitance or inductance, either. I generally make up my mind over a period of time for just about everything, including cables. Snap decisions, like blind tests, are meaninglessness to me.

c) Have you correlated the price and the subjective performance of different cables in a blind experiment? What have you found?

>>>>No, I haven’t correlated price and performance of cables. I generally survey available cables including used cables that fit my budget then flip a coin.

d) Does it matter? I will not convince you and you will not convince me. :))

>>>I never try to convince someone of anything who’s already made his mind up. 😬

@toddverrone, Hope you're recovering quickly from the crash.
Thanks, I'll  compare hyperflex to cotton on the next IC project. Data would be interesting and could be useful but don't necessarily speak to differences we hear in individual systems.