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Great Rock & Roll speakers?

I have a pair of Vandersteen 2 sigs with a DNA-1 & CJ PV10al. I have never been able to get the image proper with the speakers due to odd ball room placement. I really like the speakers but need something to image better in the same price class. I don't have a lot of room behind the speakers & don't want monitors. I really love the bass response of the speakers but had the idiot lights flash during a listening session once. Since then I have been paranoid to really crank them. I spoke with Richard & he explained how the lights work so it is obvious that I listen to alot of music that is heavy in the mid-bass region. So I need to find a speaker that is a good match to my DNA & CJ that will image well sitting close to the walls. The overall size of the speaker isn't much of a concern as long as they aren't much larger than the Vandy's. Speaker placement issues would pretty much rule out planar speakers & adding additional subs is not the direction I would like to take. Check my system here & let me know your thoughts.
fishwater
applejelly
5 posts
 
Fishwater,

I know you don't want to go down the sub avenue, but I would suggest adding a Vandy sub if you can fit it into your room.

I don't own Vandy mains, but I do own a 2Wq sub. I have a friend that owns a pair of 2Ci's, which I am currently borrowing. I was listening to them this weekend in my 13'x17' room. My amp (Bryston 9BST) was clipping very briefly and the idiot light in the speakers never turned on.

The sub will take some of the load off of the amp and the speakers, allowing them to play louder and cleaner. Things were quite loud when my amp was maxed out. I don't know how loud you want to go, but it my room, they were pretty darn loud with R&R. I am not sure how much more power the speakers could take since my amp gave out first.

If the 2 Sig's don't really work for you in your room, then finding new speakers is your best approach. If you do like them, give them a shot with the 2Wq sub. It should give you better bass and more volume headroom.
scottht
398 posts
 
IMHO Paradigms suck for rock and roll. Just MO. I have had several different models that I had tried in my HT setup. I didn't even think they worked well for HT. They have the worst tweeter I have heard in any level of speaker. Actually I think they suck for any music. I believe either the Triangle or B&W would provide alot more value for the money, and sound ten times better.
phizzer
23 posts
 
I was using Vandersteen 2ci's up until about a month ago.These were originally coupled with a 130w Rotel Rb981 amp and an Rc980 pre. Then I changed to a Parasound php-850. Got a little more bass response but my the vandys' always flash notoriously when I played any thing heavy like creed or metallica. They are just not made to crank although they were fab on Jazz and softer rock. Was using with a Paradigm pw-2200. Then tried the Studio 80's and really enjoy them now. Speakers are so subjective-it really depends on what you are looking for but give them a listen. You will like either the 100's or 80's. Given the fact that I did have the sub, I saved the bucks and got the 80's over the 100's. Note that the tweeter does take a long time to break in.
fishwater OP
178 posts
 
I was thinking of the sub but really would rather put that money into another speaker. It seems so hard to top the Vandy's on paper (everyone seems to love them) but they are not working in my room. I have a few friends reccomending the B&W CDM7's but I have no way to borrow them & use them in my system. I have never heard anything other than a friends DM303's. I want to make a move but I also want to make sure it is a step up, not sideways or down.
audiokinesis
2,737 posts
 
Fishwater -

There is a pair of used Coincident Partial Eclipses on Audiogon now. The higher efficiency of these speakers would give you plenty of headroom, and I think you'll find them to be articulate and nicely voiced. I can't say for sure they'll image better than the Vandies (which are very good in this respect). But their 92 dB efficiency compares very favorably with the 86 dB efficiency of the Vandies. To put it into perspective, you'd need FOUR TIMES the amplifier power to drive the Vandies to the levels your McCormack will drive the Coincidents.

Duke
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