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Snake oil, fraud, confirmation bias

It is becoming increasingly apparent that many threads about legitimate topics devolve into one or more of the contributors here making claims of snake oil, fraud, or confirmation bias thereby derailing the conversation beyond the valid and relevant thread topic and this is getting ridiculous. For anyone here who honestly holds the position that there is snake oil and fraud in the world of Music Reproduction Systems I challenge them to prove their claims in court it should be an easy task based on the claims they make here in Audiogon  AND they will make a fortune because in the US once proven they can file a class action suit and profit enormously from the efforts of others to deceive. These people regularly claim that "there is no evidence" that things such as cables or fuses make a difference when in actual fact Audiogon is filled with evidence that these things make very real differences in Music Reproduction Systems of course those who claim fraud reject that evidence as "confirmation bias" but in absence of any documentation from them they are only repeating the claim they have made so many times that has been refuted many times here by those who have demonstrated to there satisfaction that they make a difference.   I think in actual truth the real fraudsters here are those that repeatedly make these claims of snake oil and fraud and often they have no experience to back up there claims they simply say the claims are impossible!
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ivan_nosnibor
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Even more dangerous, as I can attest!
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defiantboomerang
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so if you perceive no gravity, it is safe to jump off a roof? After all, according to you, perception is reality. :))
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Gravity is the weakest force. We cannot perceive or feel gravity. So that is what we call a bad example. Nuclear forces, for example, are much stronger than the force of gravity yet we cannot perceive nuclear forces

We do have a natural fear of heights, however. 
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Costco_emoji wrote,

I don’t know where Geoff gets this idea that there are things in this universe we can’t measure. We can measure black holes colliding half way across the galaxy, but we can’t measure the quality of our stereo??? Whatever! I had one chump tell me that it would be impossible to measure single instrument within an orchestra. It would be difficult, but hardly impossible, and probably not worth the effort. These snake oil clowns who claim you can’t measure a cable breaking in speak out of pure ignorance. The answer is obviously you can’t measure what doesn’t exist. People have in fact measured cables. Nelson Pass has a great article on cable which I’m sure none of the snake oilers would bother to look up. Stereophile measures almost everything they review so I’m not sure how anybody can say nobody measures anything. The only folks that don’t measure things are the folks who know there’s nothing to measure..... because you can measure the customer’s delusions. I have to wonder if sticking suction cup dildos to your speakers would improve the sound as much as some of this high dollar hocus pocus the con artists sell.

>>>>Costco, I’m pretty sure your reading compression went bye bye again. I didn’t say nobody measures anything. Duh! What I actually said was that there is no way to measure certain audiophile tweaks. You know, the ones that SCARE you. The ones that go BUMP in the night. The ones YOU don't understand. The ones you're constantly ranting about. In fact, Stereophile doesn’t meausure audio tweaks. Nobody does. Hel-loo! So, go ahead, fly off the handle.
defiantboomerang
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@geoffkait 

Your post is a bad example. Hold a 100 pound weight in your hands for an hour. I think you will "perceive or feel" gravity.

BTW, how is that teleportation thing going? Have you had it peer reviewed yet? Why not? Have you published your research? Why not? What are you hiding?
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geoffkait
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My boomerang won’t come back - but that’s not what you said. You said in your example you could perceive gravity if you’re standing near a cliff. By the way, shouldn’t you be standing out on a ledge somewhere?

Are you volunteering to peer review the Teleportation Tweak? As I said previously I already published the long awaited, How the Teleportation Tweak Works. Try to keep up.
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