Merlin VSM-M and Bass


A bit of background:

Equipment:
Marantz SA-14 SACD player
Sonic Frontier Line 2SE preamp
Belles 150A Hotrod amp
Merlin VSM-M with BBAM

Setup and room:
diagonal placement
speakers about 5-6' apart and fairly close to the side walls in a 20'x20'x10' sloped ceiling room with a big opening into a 20'x12'x8' kitchen

I bought the Merlin's (VSM-SE) about 2 months ago and had Bobby upgrade them to the Millenium w/ BBAM. My question is how can I get more bass from them? These speakers are (were?) going to replace my Revel F30. The Revel's have the bass that I'm looking for, however, from maybe 100Hz on up, the Merlin's are much better. I just do not get the bottom end that the Revel's put out.

Integrate a sub? And if so, any suggestions?

Thank you,
david_berry
David informed me that he was just using the threaded point without the jam nut and the rest of the cone assembly. The lack of bass is understandable when you consider that the increased sheering potential virtually destroyed the dynamic coupling of the speaker to the floor. A properly designed speaker foot is rigid to pass built up energy from the speaker cabinet into the earth. With the point just screwed into the fastener on the bottom of the speaker, the energy could not pass through the spike as a drain. The build up of energy within the cabinet heightened the cabinet resonance and cancelled some of the bass energy. Just using the point with a jam nut is not enough because the resonant frequency of this combination is very high and you will hear this in the speaker's reproduction. The entire cone assembly must be used to damp the foot. This results in a single digit resonant frequency which is too low to hear. The result is a much fuller and relaxed presentation which David noted. Using the battery ops in the BAM will also provide the listener with a more relaxed and full presentation than the AC mode. This speaker's degree of resolution will show up seemingly insignificant issues and make them extremely audible. So, some of the procedures taken for granted with other speakers need to be paid attention to here. The more you do this, the better the end result.
One last thing, Tubegroover mentioned a sixth toe mod. This was done to David's speakers but for those of you that have not done it, the difference in bass quantity and impact is remarkable.
Bobby@merlin
I got the 6th toe mod and my bass is absolutely great. But on only 3 spikes the speakers tend to want to tip over. I have had two different heart attacks as my 5 year old inadvertently brushed the side of the speaker hard enough to actually knock the speaker down onto it's side. Fortunately the speaker has landed solidly on it's side on the carpet both times and has sustained zero damage. Will I loose a lot by going to a more stable 4 Z foot setup? BTW, time can stand still as you watch your VSM slowly fall sideways as my 5 year old looks on with horror.
Hi Tom,
The speakers will sound very full and natural even with the four feet used. The bass will not be quite as extended or as punchy but it will still sound wonderful and keep you happy knowing that your little one and the speakers will be more safe. By the way, are you on concrete or wooden flooring?
Regards,
Bobby
can I ask how much the upgrade cost you?
were there options along with the upgrade?
I'm considering buying an SE set and upgrading it myself
Thanks,
GE
Tmoran:

Just be happy you had a carpeted floor for the speaker to land on becuase this will abosorb a large amount of the impact/shock. I have seen a speaker fall hard on a plain concrete floor... the shock of the impact snapped the voice coil assembly off the back of a cast frame woofer. I could've cried.

Rich