My apologies_Upgrade path from Wilson WattPuppy 7's?


Folks-

I am the naive person who posted about which speaker to buy next, my system is all McIntosh, except for the downloaded high-resolution music content. Since I have price limitations, I have been attempting to audition loudspeakers under $15K, preferably used or demos. In various stores, I have heard the following:
  • Vandersteen Quarto CT's: Great bass, but an active system that does not seem to resolve high mid-range strings like a Wilson;
  • Triton GoldenEar Reference;
  • Sonus Faber Venere S and Olympica's, great sound in the store.
Currently, I am auditioning (in-house) Wilson Yvette speakers (it cost $400 for an in-house demo), and they sound great to me, but they are too expensive, even at a reduced demo price.  I started comparing frequency and impedance curves where I could obtain them (mostly Hi-Fi news from the U.K.), but I am becoming too obsessive about this.

So, I guess I could buy the Wilson Sabrina or Wilson Sasha WP (discontinued Series 1), since I seem to like the Wilson sound. Any advice?

Thanks again - Gerry
gerryah930

Gerry the Wilson 7’s needs good current to sound their best full stop.
The Mac 275 cannot do that, it would have to almost double it’s wattage for each halving of speaker load.
EG:
8ohms- 75w
4ohms-150w
2ohms-300w

This is why Stereophile reviewed the Wilson 7’s using the Halcro DM68 monoblocks

I say it again because you said you were naive, you have not heard the Wilson 7’s at their best with this Mac amp driving them.

Cheers George
Gerryah, 

We have owned and setup many pairs of WP,  Including the WP3/2 and the WP 5. We have customers with the WP 7.

We have also heard the current Wilson lineup as shows and at other dealers. 

You have made ain impressive list of some of the issues you have had with each of their models, the Mcintosh tube amplifiers are not really ideal for pushing the Wilsons, although one of the best combos  with WIlsons was the Vac Ren 70/70.

You should add the new Paradigm Persona which are very efficient and tube friendly, they are incredible imagers, and are remarkably transparent.

Also the Legacy Aeris is an unbelievable speaker system especially for the money, they have a warm midrange like what you like out of some of the Wilsons, they are very tube friendly and very efficient, and have a huge soundstage and very deep bass. They start at $21k with a room correction processor, preamp and dac, so you may be able to get an upgrade in terms of your other electronics as well, and with room correction you can get very good results in any size room,. the Aeris are giant killers and sound similar to a Maxx with the same kind of large presentation but in a much smaller room friendly package.

If you are every in the New York City area we have the Personas, the KEF Blades, the Legacy Aeris, and the Daili Epicon 8 all great

Perhaps a trip to the New York Metro area would enable you to hear all the contenders. There are Wilson dealers and Vandy dealers as well as our shop selling the Paradigms, KEF Blades, and the Legacys.

Dave and Troy
Audio Doctor NJ
Why do you feel the Maxx 3 are too much for your room?  I run Maxx 2 and they are excellent al low volume or high and they are quite efficient - I am currently driving them with 70 tube watts
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Yes Grgr4blu, we don’t have any experience with Wilson after outfitting Tommy Boy Records with 5 pairs of WP and a set of Maxxes in the nineties or the set of Wilson 7 that we recently setup for Fixbit last year or that isn’t any recent experience or a few other of our clients that own WP 7’s.

Or the store we visited selling Wilson in Maryland when we were at the Capital Audio Fest, where we heard the Alexia and the Alexandria X2 demoed with all top of the line gear last month, when delivering a set of Personas.

Interesting factoid, the gentleman who purchased the Personas who drove four hours to hear our set up of the Personas played a Steinway and we played the same track on the Personas very close to the real thing, by the way.

You will reply that you have owned many speakers yet you always seem to chime in when another speaker that we recomend is mentioned because we are bad apple trolls as you put it and how can any speaker made by anyone else can not ever be as good as a Wilson? How dare someone chime in and recommend another brand?

The real reason is you like many audiophiles are threatened when someone dares to question your choice.

We just did the New York Audio show with Legacy and you know what one gentleman came up to us and said "he heard all the Wilsons and the Legacy Aeris is a better speaker for a fraction of the money.

Please noitce that the Aeris is one of the top rated speakers in TAS as well as the Personas.

Please explain by what magic is a Wilson anything better than a Legacy Aeris with a Wavelet? The Wavelet provides state of the art room correction and electronically phase and time aligns all frequencies.

Oh I forgot a laser and a Wilson gauge is better then modern audio engineering.

You mistake my point, Wilson is a very good sounding speaker they are considered by many people in these forums to be the holy grail of loudspeakers, they are well built and well engineered and are but one choice in a myriad of good loudspeaker choices.

20 plus years ago I felt that the Watt Puppy was truly an amazing speaker but today they have a huge amount of talented competitors.

Why don’t you recommend that the OP to come to a shop like ours or one in his area and take a listen to some of these products and maybe he can find something that he likes that combines all the traits he is shooting for, the Legacy Aeris combines much of what he is looking for, by the way.

If you read his post you would see that he has a number of issues with everything he is currently demoing from Wilson, these include sound, tonal balance, value for dollar, size and a few other issues.

Yes Grgr4blu, this is getting so old. Let the people find out for themselves that when shopping for any speakers they should look at all the possible alternatives that might work for them and the Legacy Aeris are remarkable speakers for the money actually they are plain remarkable period, and the Personas if you have been reading the forums are slaying many of the competitors.

Dave and Troy
Audio Doctor NJ.