Horn based loudspeakers why the controversy?


As just another way to build a loudspeaker system why such disputes in forums when horns are mentioned?    They can solve many issues that plague standard designs but with all things have there own.  So why such hate?  As a loudspeaker designer I work with and can appreciate all transducer and loudspeaker types and I understand that we all have different needs budgets experiences tastes biases.  But if you dare suggest horns so many have a problem with that suggestion..why?
128x128johnk
This is not the 1st thread concerning horns here on the "Gon, as pointed out by phusis. There will always be listeners, who admittedly or not, have had any or no reasonable experience with horns in the home. Those who have, going back years, probably did not hear the qualities they were looking for.
12-10-2017 1:17pm
" I like horns, except for the fact that they sound shouty, forward, bright, beamy. The older style wood Klp type speakers sound boarning, slow, heavy and us resolving ". This was stated by soundsrealaudio, and, I understand some of his comment. We horn users, however, do not like this feedback, and honestly, I have known many listeners in my lifetime who have felt the same. johnk started this thread, and in the title, invited those naysayers ( some are just trolls ), to speak up. I have educated many, and have tried to with others, on the merits of horns, but never, in an argumentative way, to sway them ' my way ". I admit to have been " taken in " to some of these horn trolls here, and defending myself, which now, as I look back, was immature of myself. The simplicity of it all, is, there are those who simply remember the ' old days " of horns, when they were set up with high powered ss amps, in rooms that were acoustically poor, and this is their memory. Of course, some have little experience with a proper audition as well. As far as I am concerned, now, it is just their loss. I was introduced to Khorns in my low teens, and it has been a journey ever since, to find a loudspeaker that I appreciated more. I have had many, sold many, installed many, and, have enjoyed many. But none IMO, IMO IMO, has done what I discovered to be " my liking ". I became a tweaker almost immediately, with horn and cabinet damping, and, eliminated nasties that were present. And, this is what my hobby was all about. Are horns perfect ? Absolutely not, but horns ( good horns, most of them hybrids ), do more right, than wrong, in recreating a " live musical experience " than anything else, " for me ". And this, is the key statement. " For Me ". I was lucky to be around music listeners ( some of them audiophiles ), at an early age. I was also lucky to be involved in the industry ( during high school, college, and afterwoods ), where I gained much 1st hand experience. This gave me the advantage to find what I was looking for. Anyway, the next horn thread should be titled " What do we like about our horns ? ". I guarantee you, there will still be trolls showing up, with their BS. I am very sorry with my rant, and my imperfect writing skills. Always, Dan ( MrD ).
So Mapman…if you or If anybody is looking for a pair of these damn things (Heresy IIIs) I don’t mind sharing the fact that I got them from Ebay as a pair from a supposed "authorized" dealer (the 5 year Klipsch warranty is supported they say). I was not in a hurry to get these, but the free shipping also nudged me, and they’re the least expensive "open box" pair listed so you should be ably to find ’em if you wish. That seller also gives you until late January to return them with no lame re-stocking fee, you just pay for the shipping. They arrived in 4 days (!) from Nevada (Somehow Amazon was involved which meant USPS delivered them on a Sunday! A day earlier than tracking indicated…surprise!) to my house outside Boston, and were "cryoed" as they sat on my porch for a night as I was returning from a trip…I let them thaw before opening. Not sure if the Capitol Edition thing was simply luck (normally they list for 500 bucks more than the "normal" version, something I would not pay for since they're' exactly the same components as regular Heresys), or if they just have a pile of those. The grills seem patterned after a sweater I used to have, and the finish is a weird "Ebony" that looks like dark purple…sort of…but I like 'em.
Nonoise….I tested these with a tone from my trusty old Stereophile test CD and they do go lower than the ratings state (there's some signal to the 40s certainly), and mine aren't near corners as I have my subs (off during the test of course). Note that since horns are projecting mids and highs to your face it renders "first reflections" less of an issue, and the 12" is sealed so it really pops…I listened to these in a shop and they were in corners and do well ("I have no corners, I can turn on a dime"  paraphrasing Lowell…sorry). I took one of these apart today and they're well made with seemingly nice wire that looks like thick single strand Monster cable from 1982. Cool.
soundsrealaudio aka Jim

just stop with your false generalization statements towards all horn designed speakers as you have wrote because it's far from being true and comes across as a troll - revert back to your own speakers and put the time and energy into schlepping them.
For a dealer such as your self to be posting as you have only demonstrates your credibility and hurts your reputation once individuals know who you are, individuals can just look at your past postings, read to figure it out. 

Any dealer or manufacture posting it should be mandatory they add their affiliation signature at the bottom of each posting so readers know, makes a difference for others like myself whom are just end users. 

F.Y.I. When at a show your product should speak for it's self - you shouldn't have to lower your self putting down others, you were pleasant though and we did have a nice conversation but your system well that was a different story.