Audio Technica AT ML-180 Cartridge Advice


Just acquired an Audio Technica AT ML-180 cartridge with broken cantilever and was looking for advice on where to get a new cantilever rebuild and what material to choose from. My preference is a new Boron cantilever but was not sure who, apart from Soundsmith, offers this service.

Also would like to know which is the best tonearm to use for this cartridge once it's fixed. It can either go on my Audiomods Series 5 (eff. mass approx. 11g) or the arm on my Yamaha GT 2000 which has an effective mass of approx. 20g.

Thanks in advance.
ateal
The materials that cartridge manufacturers can ask the cantilever manufacturers to use can either come from the cantilever manufacturers, or be sourced by the cartridge manufacturers. This is true for every part of the cantilever assembly including the cantilevers themselves, coil bobbins, suspension wire, connection fittings, glue, etc.

For example, the high permeability bobbin material that is used in the My Sonic Labs and AirTight cartridges does not come from the cantilever manufacturers, but is rather supplied by Yoshio Matsudaira. As a result, only the cartridges brands that are personally affiliated with Matsudaira have access to this material.

As a second example, when it seemed as though cantilever-grade boron would become extinct, we (Lyra) procured a limited amount of suitable material and delivered it to Namiki, so that the Delos could remain in production without any major changes.
Some manufacturers who couldn't source their own supplies of boron were forced to change their cantilevers to other materials such as sapphire.

The same flexibility in sourcing holds true for the processing of materials. If cantilever manufacturer doesn't have access to processes such as diamond-coating, EDM, some forms of annealing, micro photoetching, microscopic laser machining etc., the cartridge manufacturer is allowed to deliver various parts of the cantilever assembly to specialist processing facilities, then return the processed part to the cantilever manufacturer so that they can be incorporated into the cantilever assembly.

Some cantilevers may use relatively standard parts, but others may involve varying degrees of custom design and fabrication (anywhere from a little to a lot).
Dear @jcarr : Thank's to share your knowledge level. You are an expert and we are only audiophiles and some of us even a little " stupid " when we think we know everything in something we know really almost nothing.

Thank's again for put ligth on that matters/issue.

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.
I've been reading this thread with interest.  AT's 'interchangeability' mantra has proven a definite boon for me.  :-)  In fact, that had me salivating about the 150 cart that chakster has/had up for auction.  Looking at the numbers, it appears that a 150mlx stylus/cantilever is a very close substitute.  Then, I began to look at my 'be good to myself' purchase of a NOS AT25 with spare NOS stylus and I realized I don't wish to be broke (again) during the holidays.

Of course, that won't prevent me from following this thread ad infinitum  :-)  Looks like I need to buy more lottery tickets!

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haha, nice
Still have it for christmas

never tried the AT25, but i got the AT20SLa with genuine 20SL stylus made in Japan in the 70’s. I do not trust the LPgear webstore, because their current AT parts always looks different! The original stylus must have a gold Audio-Technica logo and stamped model number! I know that Audio-Technica AT20SLa stylus comes with Aluminum cantilever (maybe "SLa" means Shibata, Limited edition, Aluminum), but the AT20SL stylus (without "a") probably means the cantilever is not aluminum ("a"), but a much higher graded Beryllium. Anyway i’m just guessing. This is very rare limited edition model (nude Shibata diamond)! The cartridge is so good anyway (SL or SLa). The upgrade of the stylus could be very rare AT20SS replacement.
As an update, I just picked up a NOS Signet TK10 ML.

Can't wait to see how it compares to the AT ML180/150 combo.