Cartridges: Complete Scam?


I’m very new to analog, and researching my options on forums I keep coming across the same sentiment: that past the ultra low-end cartridges, there is very little gains in actual sound quality and that all you’re getting are different styles and colorations to the sound.

So, for example, if I swapped out my $200 cartridge that came with my table for a Soundsmith, Dynavector, Oracle, etc, I may notice a small improvement in detail and dynamics, but I’m mostly just going to get a different flavor. Multiple people told me they perffered thier old vintage cartridges over modern laser-cut boron-necked diamonds.

It’s possible that these people are just desperately defending thier old junk and/or have never heard high end audio. But if what they’re saying is true, than the cartridge industry is a giant SCAM. If I blow 2.5k minimum on an Air Tight I better get a significant improvement over a $200 bundler — and if just all amounts to a different coloration, than that is a straight-up scam ripoff.

So guys — are these forums just BS-ing me here? Is it really a giant scam?
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@cd318 

A low quality turntable (resonance and speed issues) with a high quality cartridge is always outperformed by a good turntable with a low quality cartridge.

Are you sure? Tracking is not the main factor, if your low quality cartridge does not reproduce the frequency range that a good quality cartridge can do with ease then your turntable can not help it even with top notch speed stability. If you can not extract what's on the record how come your turntable can help it? 


Dear @cd318 @chakster : Tonearm always is important and TT a little " less important " but the main cartridge characteristic ( other than the cartridge " motor ", the transducer it self. ) is the cartridge tracking abilities.

That’s what define the information that the cartridge pick-up, after this main characteristic then the motor define the quality of is reproduced on that information that the cartridge pick-up.

Cartridge tracking abilities has no substitute. Any decent cartridge can pick-up the information but its own abilities defines how much information will pick.up. The other main parameter is the audiophile knowledge level and skills to make a " perfect " cartridge/tonearm/TT set up.

Btw, tracking abilities in a cartridge is not defined by a price range. There are expensive ones that are poor trackers and the other way around too.

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.
I agree with cd318....assuming that we are in agreement re what “low quality” means. For me, most low quality turntables have speed stability issues. Some very expensive turntables regarded by some as “high quality” also have speed stability issues. For me, that also puts them in the “low quality” category no matter how massive, and impressive looking they may be. No matter how good the cartridge or arm mounted on one of these turntables the resulting sound, for me, will be “low quality”.  Conversely, a humble cartridge on a decent arm mounted on a turntable that has very good pitch stability (“high quality”) will always outperform the other....in the performance areas that matter most to me. Solid pitch stability is the number one consideration in a turntable system. That is what has the greatest impact on the rhythm and expression in the music in the grooves; even more so than tracking ability...up to a point of course.
Dear @frogman : It's obvious the importance on TT speed stability but in my experience today decent TTs has that speed stability, not perfect but almost.

Even with " non so perfect " speed stability you can't recovery in any way what the cartridge can't pick-up and that's why is so important and critical the cartridge tracking abilities.
We can fix some kind of issues with the TT speed stability but we can't fix the inherent cartridge self tracking abilities.

In the analog alternative all parameters and audio items are truly important due that the alternative is so imperfect. So I agree that TT is important, no one is vs this true. What I'm pointing out is that inside the whole " parameters "  cartridge tracking abilities is crucial because the recorded information is " there " and only the cartridge can pick up.

So, a perfect analog rig must have: a perfect TT, a perfect cartridge, a perfect tonearm and a perfect phono stage with perfect IC cables in a perfect set up. Well these we can't " see " it not even in our dreams.

Btw, before rhythm we need to have " all " the recorded information, to this can happens we need that the cartridge stays matched to the tonearm with a rigth tonearm/cartridge/set up and after all these comes the critical issue of TT speed stability. As I said everything is important in the analog alternative. Obviously that if the TT does not spins we have nothing at all.

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.


I have been in the market for a new cartridge for quite some time now. One thing that really annoys me is the huge mark-up the US reps assign to these products. For example, a MSL cartridge can be had in Japan ( country of origin) for slightly less than 40% of the retail price in the US...same is true for Lyra and others. So, can someone tell me why the shipping cost and customs etc., is adding that much to the product here in the US?? Plus, the dealers in Japan are making a profit as well...
One would think that the shipping price of a cartridge would be minimal at best ( we are not talking about a 500Lb speaker or 150Lb amp!) Yet the markup expected by the US reps is over the moon...IMHO.
Crazily, I guess they get it...from some....which is probably one of the reasons why I am still in the market!