unreceievdeogma- I have been playing with placement with my Altec Valencia 846's. I tried a basic 40/40/20.... speakers pulled out 40% of room length, listener 40% from speaker, with 20% remaining length behind listener. This didn't work at all for the Altec's, which I believe shine with plenty of distance between listener and speaker. That 40/40/20 had me way too close in my 23 + foot long room. I tried the Verity formula noted earlier in this thread, and liked the result from the room width divided by 3.6, which situated my speakers 41" from the side walls. That was using my 148" width of course. Now I'm going to play with the rest of that formula which uses the ceiling height to determine how far speakers are pulled out from rear wall. In my case my 8 ft ceiling dictates they be pulled out 4.96 ft from rear wall. Currently in my (23+ ft) room, I'm not too far removed from the suggested 4.96... Should be interesting, but so far very positive going to the 41" from side wall....I had them 44" from side wall before I began playing with the Verity formula. Thanks for posting that. I always enjoyed the Parsifal, and never noticed the Verity formula. Perhaps it wasn't available way back then.