Dear @fsmithjack : Do it you a favor and put on sale your SUT and buy ASAP the A90 I linked. Both cartridges AQ and the S1 are BS against that Ortofon.
R.
R.
Would love some feedback / Denon DL-S1 / phono match / cart recomendations
Would love some feedback / Denon DL-S1 / phono match / cart recomendations
- Vinyl newbie and need some help
- Friend has a brand new Denon DL-S1 for $600 - good deal?
- I have a Mark Levinson No.326s preamp and just bought the dual mono MM/MC Phono module boards. They are the identical boards from the No,32 preamp and read that was a very nice sounding phono preamp.
- No.326s only has a couple settings 42db or 60 db and 47k ohm or 200 ohm load
- I picked up a used Bob's Device 1131 thinking it would help as my No.326s has limited setting options and read the 1131 might not work well with this cart. That this cart is tough to get the most out of but can be great.
- Should I get another cart? Was it a mistake getting the 1131 SUT. I read the No.326s sounded nice with this SUT so went for it but don't know enough to really know better either way but trying to learn.
- The No.326s phono boards has these little gold terminal screws with easy tighten by hand little knobs on the heads of the screws to add either capacitor or resistor to make the phono very adjustable but would have no idea how to figure out how to use that but thought to mention
- just wondering if this is a bad cart for me to try with my phono and SUT set up and any feedback about anything related to a cart would be super appreciated if anyone reads this. Thanks
more info if helpful below but not need to answer my question just thought to add it :)
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I just finished up a full system re-fit with some tweaking here and there still to do but I am extremely happy with the sound I’m getting today from my new to me system. I sold my entire old system that was tubes and high efficiency speakers and got new to me: speakers, amp, preamp, speaker cables and upgraded digital transport and got a new turntable. Kept my DAC never changing that. Love my DAC.
This system is the best I’ve personally ever had. I’m pretty psyched - so psyched I just added a turntable.
A modern Version of the VPI Prime Aries with HRX Feet, 10" 3D Arm and Base, Prime Signature Platter, Ring and Motor.
I am looking for a cart and my friend has a new Denon DL-S1 for $600 he also has a used but good shape Clearaudio Accurate mc cart for a few hundred but i never heard of this one and a van den Hul blackheart grass hopper which I know nothing of.
I thought because the Denon is new never used that was the best option but any of you know anything about the other let me know please.
Would love some feedback / ideas / thought recommendations and help. I’m a digital guy and want to give vinyl and honest to goodness try.
As stated above I just purchased the dual mono Phono board modules for my
Mark Levinson No.326s linestage so it’s now a full function Preamp and added a Bobs Device 1131 SUT and both were attained a very reasonable cost which was great!
Just not sure if these carts will go with my phono and SUT.
Rest of my System:
https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/5160
- Magico S5 Loudspeakers
- Pass Labs X350.5 Amplifier
- Mark Levinson No.326s Preamp/phonostage
- Bricasti M1 Special Edition DAC
- PS Audio P10 Power Plant
- Kubala-Sosna Emotion SC’s
- Nordost/Cardas IC’s
- Assorted PC's Verastarr/Cardas
- Digital PC based front end that I have been tweaking and evolving:
- Sonore microRendu 1.4
- Full Suite of UpTone Audio Gear
(2) x LPS-1 Ultra Capacitor PS
JS-2 Linear Power Supply
(2) Regens - ISO/Amber
- (8) Canare / Oyide DC cables
- (2) Breeze Audio 12v LPS
- Tellurium Q Black Diamond Reference USB cable
- Curious Regen Link USB Cable.
This Digital Front End beat out: Lumin, Antipodes, Naim and Auralic servers. It needs everything to work so well but man does it work great. My hope is that a turntable can complete and wish some luck I end up liking it better. That’s why I’m asking for help. I want to put my best vinyl foot forward
** Back Ground info**
** Room is **
14 x 24 w/Cathedral Ceilings - 16 Foot a peak
** Music likes **
Assorted Music but no metal or loud hard rock anymore really - not much Large Scale classical either but everything else. I listen just loud enough to sound its best but not a loud listener. I enjoy normal levels.
** Likes / Priorities **
Transparency - Delicacy - Linear - High resolution - microscope but not sterile not etched or lifeless -some natural warmth and life to the music is key but love that see through transparency and love precise soundstage - remove as many layers without being clinical - tight bass - hate flab - but don’t need worlds greatest slam but love speed and accurate bass while being musical.
** Perspective **
I’m only a couple months into this new system and I was struggling to get the right Preamp and tried a half dozen or so searching for the right balance and the one that could bring my new system together like only the perfect matching preamp can do. Each system is different so really it must be heard to know it’s what you want. I believe in the Preamp and knew If I could find the right match it would change everything. Well that was the hope.
To make a long story longer the Mark Levinson No.326s preamp did this and more. I was hedging my expectations based on the disappointments of the others I tried and failed but the No. 326s nailed it and honestly it an incredible Preamp and then some. I was so happy I decided to upgrade and add the built in phonostage option and SUT and Turntable here we are trying to chose a cart.
Really appreciate any help you can provide! I know this is kind of long but wanted you guys to know where I’m coming from! If you would like more info please let me know - all comments and feedback are most welcome and deeply appreciated :)
- Vinyl newbie and need some help
- Friend has a brand new Denon DL-S1 for $600 - good deal?
- I have a Mark Levinson No.326s preamp and just bought the dual mono MM/MC Phono module boards. They are the identical boards from the No,32 preamp and read that was a very nice sounding phono preamp.
- No.326s only has a couple settings 42db or 60 db and 47k ohm or 200 ohm load
- I picked up a used Bob's Device 1131 thinking it would help as my No.326s has limited setting options and read the 1131 might not work well with this cart. That this cart is tough to get the most out of but can be great.
- Should I get another cart? Was it a mistake getting the 1131 SUT. I read the No.326s sounded nice with this SUT so went for it but don't know enough to really know better either way but trying to learn.
- The No.326s phono boards has these little gold terminal screws with easy tighten by hand little knobs on the heads of the screws to add either capacitor or resistor to make the phono very adjustable but would have no idea how to figure out how to use that but thought to mention
- just wondering if this is a bad cart for me to try with my phono and SUT set up and any feedback about anything related to a cart would be super appreciated if anyone reads this. Thanks
more info if helpful below but not need to answer my question just thought to add it :)
______________________________________________________________________________________
I just finished up a full system re-fit with some tweaking here and there still to do but I am extremely happy with the sound I’m getting today from my new to me system. I sold my entire old system that was tubes and high efficiency speakers and got new to me: speakers, amp, preamp, speaker cables and upgraded digital transport and got a new turntable. Kept my DAC never changing that. Love my DAC.
This system is the best I’ve personally ever had. I’m pretty psyched - so psyched I just added a turntable.
A modern Version of the VPI Prime Aries with HRX Feet, 10" 3D Arm and Base, Prime Signature Platter, Ring and Motor.
I am looking for a cart and my friend has a new Denon DL-S1 for $600 he also has a used but good shape Clearaudio Accurate mc cart for a few hundred but i never heard of this one and a van den Hul blackheart grass hopper which I know nothing of.
I thought because the Denon is new never used that was the best option but any of you know anything about the other let me know please.
Would love some feedback / ideas / thought recommendations and help. I’m a digital guy and want to give vinyl and honest to goodness try.
As stated above I just purchased the dual mono Phono board modules for my
Mark Levinson No.326s linestage so it’s now a full function Preamp and added a Bobs Device 1131 SUT and both were attained a very reasonable cost which was great!
Just not sure if these carts will go with my phono and SUT.
Rest of my System:
https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/5160
- Magico S5 Loudspeakers
- Pass Labs X350.5 Amplifier
- Mark Levinson No.326s Preamp/phonostage
- Bricasti M1 Special Edition DAC
- PS Audio P10 Power Plant
- Kubala-Sosna Emotion SC’s
- Nordost/Cardas IC’s
- Assorted PC's Verastarr/Cardas
- Digital PC based front end that I have been tweaking and evolving:
- Sonore microRendu 1.4
- Full Suite of UpTone Audio Gear
(2) x LPS-1 Ultra Capacitor PS
JS-2 Linear Power Supply
(2) Regens - ISO/Amber
- (8) Canare / Oyide DC cables
- (2) Breeze Audio 12v LPS
- Tellurium Q Black Diamond Reference USB cable
- Curious Regen Link USB Cable.
This Digital Front End beat out: Lumin, Antipodes, Naim and Auralic servers. It needs everything to work so well but man does it work great. My hope is that a turntable can complete and wish some luck I end up liking it better. That’s why I’m asking for help. I want to put my best vinyl foot forward
** Back Ground info**
** Room is **
14 x 24 w/Cathedral Ceilings - 16 Foot a peak
** Music likes **
Assorted Music but no metal or loud hard rock anymore really - not much Large Scale classical either but everything else. I listen just loud enough to sound its best but not a loud listener. I enjoy normal levels.
** Likes / Priorities **
Transparency - Delicacy - Linear - High resolution - microscope but not sterile not etched or lifeless -some natural warmth and life to the music is key but love that see through transparency and love precise soundstage - remove as many layers without being clinical - tight bass - hate flab - but don’t need worlds greatest slam but love speed and accurate bass while being musical.
** Perspective **
I’m only a couple months into this new system and I was struggling to get the right Preamp and tried a half dozen or so searching for the right balance and the one that could bring my new system together like only the perfect matching preamp can do. Each system is different so really it must be heard to know it’s what you want. I believe in the Preamp and knew If I could find the right match it would change everything. Well that was the hope.
To make a long story longer the Mark Levinson No.326s preamp did this and more. I was hedging my expectations based on the disappointments of the others I tried and failed but the No. 326s nailed it and honestly it an incredible Preamp and then some. I was so happy I decided to upgrade and add the built in phonostage option and SUT and Turntable here we are trying to chose a cart.
Really appreciate any help you can provide! I know this is kind of long but wanted you guys to know where I’m coming from! If you would like more info please let me know - all comments and feedback are most welcome and deeply appreciated :)
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haha, it’s getting funny in here There are a few cartridges on the market that i would avoid personally, just because the cantilever is extremely fragile and not covered at all like the mosquito's sting. For practical reason i would never buy such cartridges such as A-90, Dv-XV-1, ClearAudio etc, but it's just me. |
Dear @folkfreak : Good for that change to SS, bad that’s only a MM and you will be sticked with that " terrible " SUT. """ The designer of this stage believes that any high gain (i.e. much above 40dB) phono stage represents unacceptable compromises.. "" With my respect to that designer and I don’t care whom is he that statement is nothing less than a stupid one for say the least and only means that that designer has very limited knowledge on how to build/design a 60db with out " compromises ". My dear @folkfreak this is not rocket science, yes you need some engennering knowledge level and skills and experience about. If that designer can’t design a Phonolinepream for LOMC cartridges then stay away from him. Yes, as we have more active gain noise levels can goes up and even some kind of distortions but you can put it at minimum where no one can detect it , certainly not me because as you say I’m " deaf ". Look what your designer is telling you: "" that a high gain well designed active circuit puts higher " compromises " than a MM circuit plus all what I told you about the SUT "" that is just incredible and more incredible is that left him to convince you in the same way that you were convinced to add and " destroy " those great Q3 you own adding the Enigma ones that you with those speakers just don’t need it ! ! ? ? ! ! Btw, I don’t need to go to your place to know all the mistakes exist in your system and I don’t need to go to Portland to know all the " land " that exist in that system to improve severely its quality level performance. I just don’t need it but appreciated your invitation and thank’s for that. In audio the name of the game ( and I posted this several times here an elsewhere. ) is not money ( that always helps a lot. ) is: KNOWLEDGE LEVELS, OWN SKILLS and IGNORANCE LEVELS. aS THE op YOU CAN FOLLOW MAKING " MISTAKES " THIS IS PART OF THE EACH DAY LEARNING LESSONS AND YOU HAVDE THE MONEY TO DO IT BUT WHEN YOU TAKE/TOOK DECISIONS BECAUE A DESIGNER OR SELLER gave advises these advises are the ones that you have to take it with a little " salt " because at the end all of them ( including distributors and reviewers. ) their main target is to take your money that’s it’s really easy because you are " educated " by the corrupted AHEE and always are willing to do it. As all of us you have to follow learning, of course that exist people that are just stupid and never learns. No, I’m not refereing to you, first than all I respect to you as a human been and as a music lover. Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS, R. Btw, the gentleman that coincide with my past advise to you about subwoofers is not a " deaf " as me, he knows very well not only your Q3 but listened too the 5 and 7. Is an expert not an amateur as me. |
Dear @analogluvr : """
take Raul with a huge pinch of salt. Anybody who doesn't like Tubes and prefers digital has a tin ear. He continually speaks of minimizing distortion when in fact Tubes run in their proper zone often have less distortion than solid-state """ your statement speaks exactly on your knowledge/ignorance levels: "" in their proper zone often ..... """ yes, between 8khz and 8.1khz. Music/audio has almost no frequency range limitations when tubes are severely limited and full of limitations in this regards including higher noise levels than SS. In what music/sound world do you live? because here and today you " dream " does not exist any more. """ you may not even be able to pick it out in a double blind test. """ you can't if you don't know how to do it, if you are not self trained to do it. It's obvious that you can't do it because you are not self trained about. That's all. Please keep learning. Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS, R. |
Dear @folkfreak : Please tell your MM designer that reads this review/specs/measurements on this SS vintage Levinson phonolinepreamp and that he asks to those Levinson people how they did it to have no compromises for those 60 active dbs of gain in the phono circuits: https://www.stereophile.com/solidpreamps/196/index.html I think that the only thing that your MM designer can do is to read the whole review. He can’t do it till he learns in deep to that high gain with no compromises subject. A hard task for every designer. Btw, those 14.9 ohms measured for the 32 output impedance is awesome. Please some one comes here and shows us how tubes outperform that. ! ? ! ? ! ? Btw, those tube lovers know why is so important this single spec in any phonolinepreamp? In those times J.Scull was STP reviewer and latter on gone to TAS, this was his system during the review: https://www.stereophile.com/content/mark-levinson-no32-reference-preamplifier-associated-equipment Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS, R. @ fsmithjack : The Accurate cartridge was the next one to the top of the line Insider in the Clearaudio catalog of cartridges. |
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