Would love some feedback / Denon DL-S1 / phono match / cart recomendations


Would love some feedback / Denon DL-S1 / phono match / cart recomendations

- Vinyl newbie and need some help

- Friend has a brand new  Denon DL-S1 for $600 - good deal?

- I have a Mark Levinson No.326s preamp and just bought the dual mono MM/MC Phono module boards. They are the identical boards from the No,32 preamp and read that was a very nice sounding phono preamp.

- No.326s only has a couple settings 42db or 60 db and 47k ohm or 200 ohm load

- I picked up a used Bob's Device 1131 thinking it would help as my No.326s has limited setting options and read the 1131 might not work well with this cart. That this cart is tough to get the most out of but can be great.

- Should I get another cart? Was it a mistake getting the 1131 SUT. I read the No.326s sounded nice with this SUT so went for it but don't know enough to really know better either way but trying to learn.

- The No.326s phono boards has these little gold terminal screws with easy tighten by hand little knobs on the heads of the screws to add either capacitor or resistor to make the phono very adjustable but would have no idea how to figure out how to use that but thought to mention

- just wondering if this is a bad cart for me to try with my phono and SUT set up and any feedback about anything related to a cart would be super appreciated if anyone reads this. Thanks

more info if helpful below but not need to answer my question just thought to add it :)

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I just finished up a full system re-fit with some tweaking here and there still to do but I am extremely happy with the sound I’m getting today from my new to me system. I sold my entire old system that was tubes and high efficiency speakers and got new to me: speakers, amp, preamp, speaker cables and upgraded digital transport and got a new turntable. Kept my DAC never changing that. Love my DAC. 

This system is the best I’ve personally ever had. I’m pretty psyched - so psyched I just added a turntable. 

A modern Version of the VPI Prime Aries with HRX Feet, 10" 3D Arm and Base, Prime Signature Platter, Ring and Motor. 

I am looking for a cart and my friend has a new Denon DL-S1 for $600 he also has a  used but good shape Clearaudio Accurate mc cart for a few hundred but i never heard of this one and a  van den Hul blackheart grass hopper which I know nothing of.

I thought because the Denon is new never used that was the best option but any of you know anything about the other let me know please.
  
Would love some feedback / ideas / thought recommendations and help. I’m a digital guy and want to give vinyl and honest to goodness try.

As stated above I just purchased the dual mono Phono board modules for my
Mark Levinson No.326s linestage so it’s now a full function Preamp and added a Bobs Device 1131 SUT and both were attained a very reasonable cost which was great!

Just not sure if these carts will go with my phono and SUT.

Rest of my System:
https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/5160

- Magico S5 Loudspeakers
- Pass Labs X350.5 Amplifier
- Mark Levinson No.326s Preamp/phonostage
- Bricasti M1 Special Edition DAC
- PS Audio P10 Power Plant
- Kubala-Sosna Emotion SC’s
- Nordost/Cardas IC’s
- Assorted PC's Verastarr/Cardas

- Digital PC based front end that I have been tweaking and evolving:
- Sonore microRendu 1.4
- Full Suite of UpTone Audio Gear
(2) x LPS-1 Ultra Capacitor PS
JS-2 Linear Power Supply
(2) Regens - ISO/Amber
- (8) Canare / Oyide DC cables
- (2) Breeze Audio 12v LPS
- Tellurium Q Black Diamond Reference USB cable
- Curious Regen Link USB Cable.

This Digital Front End beat out: Lumin, Antipodes, Naim and Auralic servers. It needs everything to work so well but man does it work great. My hope is that a turntable can complete and wish some luck I end up liking it better. That’s why I’m asking for help. I want to put my best vinyl foot forward 

** Back Ground info**

** Room is **
14 x 24 w/Cathedral Ceilings - 16 Foot a peak

** Music likes **
Assorted Music but no metal or loud hard rock anymore really - not much Large Scale classical either but everything else. I listen just loud enough to sound its best but not a loud listener. I enjoy normal levels.

** Likes / Priorities **
Transparency - Delicacy - Linear - High resolution - microscope but not sterile not etched or lifeless -some natural warmth and life to the music is key  but love that see through transparency and love precise soundstage - remove as many layers without being clinical - tight bass - hate flab - but don’t need worlds greatest slam but love speed and accurate bass while being musical.

** Perspective **
I’m only a couple months into this new system and I was struggling to get the right Preamp and tried a half dozen or so searching for the right balance and the one that could bring my new system together like only the perfect matching preamp can do. Each system is different so really it must be heard to know it’s what you want. I believe in the Preamp and knew If I could find the right match it would change everything. Well that was the hope.

To make a long story longer the Mark Levinson No.326s preamp did this and more. I was hedging my expectations based on the disappointments of the others I tried and failed but the No. 326s nailed it and honestly it an incredible Preamp and then some. I was so happy I decided to upgrade and add the built in phonostage option and SUT and Turntable here we are trying to chose a cart.

Really appreciate any help you can provide! I know this is kind of long but wanted you guys to know where I’m coming from! If you would like more info please let me know - all comments and feedback are most welcome and deeply appreciated :)




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OK GUYS -

Ortofon MC A90 Cart for $900 cash plus a trade my Bob's Device 1131 SUT?.

Says it has 400 hours on it and it is mint...

$900 is way more than I want to spend but it's only $300 more than the Denon and if it really is that much better then what do you think? If I can cut right to chase - well, I would rather but want your thoughts please...

Is it way better.

Hopefully this is the last one I have to run by you but you guys have taught me a ton and I need it. Regardless of anything I am much more knowledgeable so this is all good. Everyone says SUTs are helpful and good to have but if you pre has enough gain chances it will sound better direct. I have 60db in the phono and 18db in the pre. 78db seems to be enough

Few have said to sell my SUT and get a better cart which so this is sort of doing just that.

Also, can it be rebuilt later on by Soundsmith for reasonable money or no? I have no clue? Thanks .


Dear @fsmithjack : AAny re-tipper can rebuild but a cartridge of the caliber as the A90 it’s not a cartridge to " rebuild " by any re-tipper.

First than all, that cartridge has at least another 400 hundreds hours ( maybe more. ) that are a lot of hours.

Now, after 400-500 hundreds hours maybe Ortofon can take it in change of its newest top of the line cartridge and pay for the difference .

Anyway, if you don’t want to change the A90 but stay with then exist no one better than Ortofon to rebuild the cartridge. As a fact they return to you a new A90 with the latest up-dates in the cartridge Ortofon technology.

In the other side only regarded cartridge manufacturers like Ortofon, VDH, Clearaudio, Benz Micro, Lyra, My Sonic Labs, ZYX and the like are the only that has acces to the best and unique ( for them. ) cantilevers and stylus as no single retipper can ( the cartridge build/replacement suppliers never gives this kind of parts to any re-tippers. ). A retipper gives you always second class cartridge build/replacement parts and a re-tipper never knows the manufacturer cartridge up-dates over the time and never knows how the cartrige designer voiced their top cartridges.

Only by ignorance some people use re-tippers with top LOMC cartridges.

You can send to retippers second class cartridges but never send to them a top class cartridge as the A90.

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.
The 90 is an excellent cart however it’s lowish output at .270mV. With only 60dB in your phono plus 18dB in the pre you would get to 2.1V which is short of the 2.6V rated for maxiumum output for your X350.5. In other words another 3dB of gain would be nice depending how loud you listen

of bigger concern is buying a cart with 400 hours - that’s a really well used cart and you are paying $900 plus your 1131 (worth $650 or so) which is in line with what A90s have sold for but by no means a steal. Do you know the provenance of the cart? Has it had more than one user? Does it check out visually? Buying used carts is a real crap shoot and knowing the pedigree of the seller is key
 Raul you don't know what you're talking about! Regarding tubes in their proper range, I don't mean the frequency range I mean as long as their not being over driven. If a SET  Power amp that can make 22 W max is being driven at 1 W it makes vanishingly low levels of distortion. Lower than any solid state design. And the portion that it does make is better than the distortion the solid-state design makes. So it's stupid to say tubes are bad and solid state is good.   You love to come on these forums and talk about other people being ignorant and having low levels of knowledge but you should look in the mirror.   Regarding being able to pick stuff out in the double blind test excuse me I forgot you don't even have to hear a system to know exactly what it sounds like. 
folkfreak - great technical advice. Thank you 

I was worried about spending all my money and trading away my SUT for a cart that I have no idea about. Don't know anything about the private seller and yes right it's not a great deal and I make a point to try and stretch my audio dollars as farrrrrr as I can. Wish I knew the seller or background that would be different.

My buddy who I trust whole heartily will sell me his Clearaudio Accurate for $500 - a $100 less than the Denon and one of the other helpful folks on this thread told me it was second from the top back in the day. My buddy said its got maybe 40 - 50 hours tops but more like 30 on it and has had it in his large stash for years. Wish I new more about this one. I don't even know the spec on it or what to worry about set up wise.

Anyone have an idea or any thoughts. I already sent him the money and he will ship me whatever cart I ask for. 

Just checked UPS and my table has made it local a couple towns away to the UPS warehouse and is being delivered on Monday. So excited... I will post pics for you guys...

Here is my new phonostage and table pics when it comes

https://www.flickr.com/gp/35630112@N05/30iw78