Naim and Elac Adante, Wow

and again Audiotroy....pretty much anybody can build a composite driver, as I stated before tge balsa core is unique and innovative. IF you knew anything about end grain balsaand and the extreme difficulty of getting it to bond with pre-preg, then you might reconsider your ignorant comments. 

i ran the most advanced composite shop on the planet...we built simple stuff like B-2 wings and structures, F-22 wings, 787 fuselages.....but hey you keep challenging me on composites......might feel good for you....but in the end, you are wrong...period....Vandersteen has the patents and as previously pointed out trade secrets - you have what ??????

ctsooner
 You speak of my "bad taste behavior".
 I have seen many of your posts on Audiogon. I have never said anything negative about you, your posts or anyone on Audiogon except Audiotroy and a Goner who either posted at his behest or appeared to be Audiotroy posting under a different name (having posted only a few times on Audiogon and all in defense of Audiotroy).
 You speak from personal knowledge and your opinion about your experiences and preferences are what Audiogon is all about. 
Audiotroy is a complete self promoting airbag.
Sorry if I offend anyone but the chief offender--Audiotroy. 

bob, I want to make sure you realize that my post was quoting him etc...;).

I honestly don't need to answer to you for anything as to where or when I've heard things. As for territories carrying product, you need to open your mind as there are so many dealers and users of products around the world! ;)..I'll leave it at that.  

I"m glad you know all about teh military and what we teach and how we teach it.  I'm not defending anyone, just pointing out facts, thats' all.  Tomic has already covered your ignorance in regards to patents and the whole balsa wood/carbon fiber pre-preg deal.

Crazed, I'm sorry if I have offended you in any way.  It was not my intent to derail your thread and I'm sorry, but I didn't even post until recently and that was well after someone lost their temper and started their rants.

As I said, I liked the Adante's.  I'm not into the speaker that has the brightest sparkle on top.  That's my preference, but that doesn't take away from the fact that there are many speakers I do like that have that.  I just know that over time, I wouldn't be as happy with them. 

To expand on things a bit, your Adante's will sound better and better (IMHO) with better and better electronics and power.  That to me is a great thing since you like the sound of them, you can keep them as you upgrade over time, if you like to do that.  As I stated, that both times I heard them, then really woke up and sang (to MY ears) with better and more power just like many speakers do.  Again, nothing negative about them at all and I'm glad you are loving them as THAT'S the ONLY thing that counts in this whole thread! :). 

Yeah Ctsooner we are back on track.

Here is where we agree, yes the Adantes do like "quality" power. 

You can drive them with a 40 watt amp, the Naim is $3,000.00 not $1,000.00 the biggest issue that we perceive with the Adantes is people using them with sub optimal electronics or not realizing that these speakers throw out prodigious bass and are not your typical stand mount. 

As per Tomics points, quite frankly not true, if you noticed we said on many, many times on these posts that we like and respect the Vandy 1C and 2Ce loudspeakers. 

We don't need to rehash what we don't like about Vandys sound compared to the products we sell, we sell our products because we like the sound and value proposition of brands like Elac, Legacy, Paradigm, Dali. 

We like high resolution speakers we like Ribbons, Beryillium tweeters, AMT drivers in general you find these kinds of drivers bright. We find with careful tunning you can have your cake and eat it too.

This was a discussion on what in our minds constitutes true innovation vs evolution in audio.

Look at Apple, Apples products are 99.99 percent evolutionary, it is their implimentation which has propelled them to the top. 

The Ipod was not the first MP3 player, the Iphone was not the first smart phone. In that light we talked about Vandys accomplishments as refining other ideas, such as composite cones, while we did acknowlege his improvment in creating a uniqe midrange driver and DBS, it is not saying that making a composite cone out of balsa isn't a tremendous accomplishment it must be or they wouldn't have a patent on it the real argument, is that driver technology really better than anyone elses proprietary sandwich cone?

In our view true revolution is comming up with completely different ways of doing things, completely new ideas Tesla's electric cars are not revolutionary, however, Chevrolets first electric car the EV1 was. 

Dave and Troy
Audio Doctor NJ

Dave you should have stayed on track as you wanted everyone else to do, but you couldn't help yourself.  I'm glad that you know more than someone who is an expert on the subject.  

You use the term high resolution all the time, but you use it incorrectly.  There are plenty of speakers like Vandersteen and others who have the highest of resolution without being overly bright. If a recording is bright, many of the high resolution speakers will sound that way, even if they aren't considered 'bright'.  I also have heard many speakers that are bright because their curve is tipped up a few DB on top and not because they are high resolution.  I was speaking in the 90's with a British designer who said he always puts a peak in the upper ranges to give the impression of a more 'live' sound and a larger soundstage'.  In your own words on other threads, a speaker isn't going to add anything to a signal.  

Lot's of different gear for all tastes.