subwoofer question......what size sub ?


have a pair of Proac Studio 200 speakers and thinking of adding a sub....but with the drivers in the Proacs being 7", what size sub ( driver ) should be used ?     keep it close to the same size or go with a 10-12 driver ?

what brand of sub works well with Proac ?
addyson815
True, after that it went in another direction. However, the first answer basically had it all: it is the room that you need to be concerned with. Since you ask, I have now found that elsewhere you give the room’s dimensions as 11x16x9 feet, and that makes the subsequent discussion all the more relevant. Room size is crucial information, and yours is very small: it gives a Schroeder frequency of about 200 Hz. Below that, you should expect room modes, i.e. hige peaks and the ocasional dips making for a boomy 'slow' bass. Therefore, if you still want to have deeper bass, you need to open the full box of tricks, i.e. perhaps bass traps, and certainly only small subs (and two or perhaps even four of them) plus dsp room eq. The dipole subs that were also mentioned in the subsequent discussion are another good idea, but probably they are physically to large in that room. But maybe you should just avoid subs in such a small room.
Have you ever measured current in-room response with REW and a Umik-1 calibrated microphone? I ask because below some 200 Hz your main speakers may also need some equalization in that room. For the ultimate solution, there is now the DSpeaker X4 pre amplifier/DAC room eq. But it would be throwing a lot of technology to a problem that is really quite simple: the room is too small for full range reproduction. That size is about the same as my study, and there my choice has been to limit myself to speakers that are great but lack the bottom end: the Harbeth P3ESR. If there is no bass, it cannot get out of control either.
And as I said, even without subs you may already have a problem with boomy bass and room modes. Measure response, and perhaps equalize the main speakers with REW into either the computer if that is your source, or a mini dsp.
If you do decide to go the subwoofer route, the Antimode 8033 is the simplest to use form of dsp room eq, and it works a treat. No need for user adjustability. But it will only work for the subs, and your mains may need something too (hence the expensive DSpeaker X4).
As for the subs themselves, I agree that sealed subs would be better than vented ones. Avoid anything other than the smallest ones.
Good luck. And be prepared for a smallish ideal listening spot. The laws of physics have not changed, even if dsp eq bends them a bit.
I have found that the Hsu subs are well thought out and well made.  I run a pair of  VTF-15H MK2s but they have a wide range of subs you could look at.

m-db and willemj, a sub and the room it is in are a system, they can not be separated. The listening room itself is a speaker enclosure, in a way, and the subwoofer "swarm" is a way to deal with room modes acoustically.

Low frequencies being omni-directional is often cited as a reason why stereo subs are not necessary. One thing that makes an OB/Dipole sub different from a monopole sub is that it "loads" the room differently. At and below a certain frequency (depending on the distance between the front and rear of the sub’s woofers), the wave from the front of the OB/Dipole and the one from the rear, both of which are omni-directional, meet at the side of the OB/Dipole H-frame (or W-frame) and, being of opposite polarity, cancel out each other. The same thing happens with planar loudspeakers, but at a higher frequency. This acoustical phenomenon creates a null to either side of the sub’s frame---there is no sound propagated by the sub in the sidewall-to-sidewall plane, and the frequencies related to that room dimension (it’s width) are not "excited" by the sub. That is one reason why the OB/Dipole sub is perceived as being "faster" than the monopole sub---with the OB/Dipole Sub exciting fewer modes, the room exhibits less resonance, overhang, and boom.

It is actually the room that is "faster" with an OB/Dipole sub, not the sub itself. But just as with "normal" subs, other factors affect the quality of sound. The GR Research/Rythmik Sub combines the attributes of OB/Dipole room loading with Servo-Feedback amp/woofers (a joint effort by GR Research’s Dannie Richie---well known for his OB speaker designs, and Rythmik’s Brian Ding, known for his subs, of course), and is the only sub of it’s kind in the world. It is available in the original dual-12" woofer version, and now with 8" woofers instead, for smaller rooms/lower SPL.

bdp24: absolutely. It is for the same reason that I like my Quad electrostats. Speed is indeed not a property of the speakers but of their interaction with the room. I wil look into the 8 inch version. Thanks

Regarding an omnidirectional approach for the mono setup of subs, and in my case the GR Research/Rythmik OB sub combination. For me, my setup is for stereo. I reached out to Danny of GR research and he replied...
"If I had two of the subs then I'd run them in stereo. They are only omni in the first octave and a half or so, then directionality begins."

Kenny