Audio Physics ...Bright or forward?

I have to agree with the poster who said that if the AP speakers sound bright, look elsewhere in your system for the cause. I've heard many supposedly great speakers, but few have the sheer musicality and insight that the mid-to-upper level AP speakers offer. I'm now with Avanti mkIIIs which are stunning.

ap speakers are pretty darn revealing of the electronics used...

they have a unique presentation in that they are room and listener position dependant...ie they can sound bright, thin, diffuse, bass shy if improperly positioned or fed a poor source...they are not a forgiving speaking like a vandersteen 2ce...

when set up correctly, they offer a beautifully cohesive presentation in which the speakers totally disappear and you are in the recording venue....

i ran across the same thing when i auditioned them in my room ( i have heard them sound good in different systems) and after 6 months of tweeking with gear and postioning them ( remove the spikes, buy a laser on a tripod, be wiling to change you listening position - and check out

http://www.immediasound.com/Speaker_set-up.htm

btw, they will do bass...believe me, when set up correctly..

I wonder how many of these responses come from someone that has virgo's and the appropiate equiptment to do them justice,or people with very in expensive systems that wouldnt know great sound if they heard it

I listened to the all new Avantera. One thing i was not satisfied with was the forward sound. I had hoped they would be more homogenic. In my experience, bass did not at all integrate well with the top. The mid and tweeter felt much more forward. I really felt all vocals sounded close-miked. The side mounted bass section was a disappointment, talking integration.
I also hoped for a better resolving ability.

I've heard Virgo 25, Scorpio 25, Avanti and Cardeas.
Heard the Virgo, Scorpio and Avanti in one showroom, Cardeas at a friends place.

I agree with an earlier comment that AP speakers actually have quite different characters. Whereas the Virgo and Scorpio had somewhat similar sonic signatures, the Avanti was touch different. I found the Virgo + Scorpio significantly more musical & delicate and more hologaphic, but a little to the point of having almost too much 'glitz' and blurring dynamics a bit. This might be what you mean by "bright"
On the other hand, the Avanti threw a wider stage but was neutral to the point of feeling a touch thin. Very critical type of sound.

All AP speakers seemed quite difficult with positioning to me, and need to it rather deep in the room to bring out their potential.

Showroom was running them off Simaudio & Trigon gear.

Won't comment too much on the cardeas as (I'm sorry to say) my friend positioned them in a way that was quite evidently unfavorable (due to practical living space requirements)