Naim and Elac Adante, Wow

@audiodoctor I hear your points and don’t doubt your motives or expertise, but you are discounting how you come off to others. Your comments serve to diminish others’ preference, which is de facto subjective, patents and innovation aside, as well as their experiences. People don’t like to be browbeaten; much of your lengthy prose does just that. 

I don’t have a dog in the fight, haven’t heard Elacs and own a number of your brands (where’s Primaluna in the lineup?!?) but perhaps some genuflection is in order. 

Gerdessc,

Never have we browbeaten anyone, nor do we diminish anyone's preferences.  

We like and respect many brands that we don't sell, but unlike some of the other posters, we do not subscribe to the only one brand is better philosophy. We believe in offering real choice, sure we have our preferences but if you visited our shop and were shopping for speakers we would play you many different loudspeakers till we found a system that made you happy. 

As we have discussed on many other forum posts, there are fantastic loudspeakers that are first order time aligned designs and ones that are not, that are also fantastic. 

We do not believe that there is only one truth in audio so the Wilson guy who loves Wilson or the Vandy guy who loves Vandy may or may not love our Paradigms or Legacys or Kef's but there are some who may be shopping for these products and fall in love with the sound of some of these. 

We have recommended our brands as we wouldn't be recommending them if we didn't think that those products represent the core values which we believe in you will notice that in these general discussions we talk about other loudspeakers we don't sell that we like as well. 

Lets just agree that we all have preferences and even if a system is well setup and voiced a particular way may not be to a particular persons liking. 

Our preference generally is for very dynamic, transparent, loudspeakers, transistor amps and digital sources, that is not to say that we don't also love vinyl and tubes. 

On only one occasion have we brought in something totally different which is the Rethem Bahava which is a wide band single drive with isobaric bass as a really cool alternative type of speaker.

You seem like a nice fellow, but don't get suckered in by some of these very negative people and perhaps reach out and talk to us and see what you think. You may be pleasantly surprised by what we can offer you in terms of ideas on how to make your system even better. 

Dave and Troy
Audio Doctor

"but unlike some of the other posters, we do not subscribe to the only one brand is better philosophy"

Dave, you have used this tired argument against me and others constantly and it's just incorrect.  Most of us like plenty of speakers.

"We do not believe that there is only one truth in audio so the Wilson guy who loves Wilson or the Vandy guy who loves Vandy may or may not love our Paradigms or Legacys or Kef's "

You are correct, I have heard the first two plenty of times (most of their models and recently) and they are way to bright on top for me and not coherent to MY ear.  Doesn't mean that any of us espouse to only ONE truth in audio at all.  Again, wrong

"Lets just agree that we all have preferences and even if a system is well setup and voiced a particular way may not be to a particular persons liking. "

Correct.  Then why do you keep making such long posts calling out anyone who says they don't like speakers or a system that YOU sell and are telling everyone how great they sound at your place and that they are they best things that are twice their price?  This is what so many posters get on you and your using this board as your marketing.  Everyone of us who posts here knows and respects others who like things that are different than what we like.  You are the only one who seems to not realize that part.  

"but don't get suckered in by some of these very negative people and perhaps reach out and talk to us and see what you think."

First off, I don't feel any of the posters who call you out are negative people.  Glad that you can make a statement like that, but you also posted in a Wilson thread that you used to work at Andy Singer's place and would laugh at and I think, made fun of folks after they left the store.  Can't back track on that as it was obviously what you guys did.  

I know that you PM posters on these threads to try and sell to them. I've had a couple of folks ask me what's up with that.  

Let me understand correctly, you say you aren't SELLING on this board, but you are asking folks to reach out to you to talk off the board where you have their ear.  THAT'S SELLING Dave.  No other way around it and please don't even try to twist it (but you won't be able to help yourself we already know that).  Then you have the audacity to say that folks are " getting suckered in" if it's a poster that publicly disagrees with you.  That's why no one can have a disagreement with you and why you MUST always have the last say in anything.  

I'm sure this will get under your skin and you will have a very very long restort that will be highly entertaining for most of us.  

Highly entertaining indeed.  

Ctstooner,  really rather amusing.

If we were to check your 1,700 or so posts how many other loudspeakers have you ever endorsed or even mentioned vs one partiuclar brand?If you like so many different loudspeakers how come you never seem to discuss any of them?   

If someone is interested in Vandersteen do you ever mention any of the other louspeakers in the price range that many other people endorse like Golden Ear, or PSB, or Focals,  or Rockport, or a zillion other choices?

Sorry CT don't see it. How many posts did you mention Ayre over and over again, and now I think you discovered the Overdrive is even better?

If the answer is no, that you are biased and in fact more so then us, 

As per contacting people here on PM quite frankly is almost never happens I wonder how many other dealers do this? 

If you also can't understand hyperbole, no one acutally laughed at anybody at SBS or any other store, you mistake figurative vs literal. 

And also as mentioned before, you suffer from the same behavior as Grgr4blu, the discusion post is about Elac Adantes. 

Do you have an opinion about them? What was the combination that you or your friends/dealers found that works well with them?

I find it super interesting that several people here have more of a personal vendetta about things that have been said about certain brands of other speakers rather than staying on topic, which is not about us it is about a particular set of speakers and finding matching electronics.

Dave and Troy
Audio Doctor NJ