Naim and Elac Adante, Wow

Ctstooner your points are being raised for what reason exactly?

There is no paid forum on Audiogon. As per gaining sales, so far has almost never happened.

Any dealer that responds to these posts and mentions their dealship name is "selling " or calling attention to their dealership and their expertise, however, if you are not supposed to be an invisible non identified person who works for a dealer so hiding anonomously that isn’t right either.

I don't see you raising these objections when a particular Vandy dealer friend of yours answers or makes comments on these boards and signs off with his dealship's name, you can't have it both ways. 

People are free to make up their own minds on whom they want to do business with. As per manufacturers protecting dealers, you can order, almost anything on line and have it shipped directly to you by dealerships like ours or others or on line shops like Cruthfield or Music Direct.

It is up to the respective reader to see if they want to discuss a possible purchase or not with whomever they like.

As per Peachtree class D anything is not going to be exactly peachy with these particular speakers as most ICE based amps sound noticably thiner with great bass control but tend to have a less warm sound compared to a good class A/B amp, however, with that being said we haven’t heard the latest Peachtree stuff. We have had Ice based amps, Hypex and NCore here and haven’t found one yet that we actually wanted to listen to. We have found the Nuprime amps which are hybrid Class A/D amps and the NAD to actually sound good, but haven’t tried these amps with the Elacs.

We do recommend a really good tube/solid state hybrid. Do you know of any, we know of an amazing sounding one, but hey I can’t mention names now or that woud be shilling right?

Perhaps you should hear the combo we recommended in the post initially?

And yes there are ton’s of good choices in this price point including Vandy, Kef, Dali, Paradigm, B&W, Golden Ear, ATC, Harbeth, Focal as well as the Elac Adantes, we just have the added advantage of having most of the major players to compare them to in one location, which is why we post in the first place.

Go google Audio Doctor and see what people whom have either worked with or visited our shop have to say about working with us. One of the reasons we get people comming in to our shop is the selection of top competing brands is very wide, because we seek out what is new and setting the market on fire because our philsophy is to support the clients not the manufacturers, if someone is making a better dac or amp or speakers then what we sell we replace that brand or model with the new one.

For many people there aren’t any good dealers with a wide selection left in many parts of the country.

We will go find a Peachtree to listen to, why don’t you find a Naim to listen to and see what you think.

Dave and Troy
Audio Doctor NJ

The review is from Stereoplay April edition and isn't available online without paywall access.

The key for an amplifier pairing is going to rest within the presentation balance. Put something a bit to forward and the flared response is going to become an issue. The Adante wasn't too bad with impedance, but it still requires something that could swing some voltage. The max level they could achieve without distortion is lower than the Kef Ref 1, Focal Sopra 1, or B&W 805D3 as distortion from the band pass woofer rises rather quickly. Still, those are much more expensive and unsurprising from my perspective.

The reason I bring up those speakers that in Stereoplay's subjective ranking system, which being a sort of numerical combine, place the Adante right up there with these other bookshelves. But looking a bit closer it became clear the ranking came about due to the high scoring from the bass section of the speakers. It would appear AJ's focus on the band pass design with an acoustical and electrical part of the crossover paid off well. Within its dynamic limits, its pretty darn good. These rankings, like any,  are generally skewed based on priorities and weightings.

Its a bit of insight to the Adante's that we hadn't seen in empirical numbers. With some effort, it can likely get a good in room response at the listening point, but there are more balanced designs out there.

Mmeysarosh, you raised some good points, however you missed one key point, which is the Adante is a $2,500.00 set of speakers and the Kef Ref 1 which are $8,000.00 the Sopra 1 which are $9,000.00 or the B&W 805D which are $5,000.00 a pair.

Mr. Jones did not design the Adantes to be a flagship, like the Unifi series before them, the Adantes were designed to offer much of what an uber speaker system delivers for less money so compromises had to be made.

As we mentioned before the Adantes sound like a Wilson Watt Puppy 5-7 series in terms of soundstage, bass punch, and clarity.

With the Adante being built to be a $2,500.00 set of speakers they are going to have some dynamic limitations.

The Kef Ref 1 are better speakers and they should be at that kind of price difference so are the Sopras.

The point about system matching is starting to sink in you must have the right partnering gear with them which requires a bit of care and an investment in something that will match the speakers sonic flavor.

The Naim Atom works so well because the Naim sonic palate is warm midrange and good bass control and excellent punch. the top end is very smooth and even though it is 40 watts we got good volume long before the amp is running out of steam.

It is going to be interesting to see how this thread develops as more people try the Adantes with a whole bunch of different gear.

Last thought about matching, we just put out today a Quad VA amp 15 watts tube with a pair of Quad S2 loudpeakers a compact bookshelf with a ribbon, combo which was designed and voiced together sounded amazing, then played the Kef LS 50 on the same electronics and not good in comparison.

So either two things are happening either the Quad speakers are better than the LS 50 or the amp isn’t partnering well.

See goes back to that damn audiophile thing of matching speakers to amps. sources to electronics, cabling with everthing and then room tuning, positioning and tweeking.

Last point, we would take in your words a less balanced speaker system that offers so many wonderful attributes but you have to be prepared to work with vs a more balanced design that does a lot of things well but excells at few of them.

The Adantes are not perfect but if you value what they do, soundstaging, bass punch and definition, alot of clarity you will be seduced by them, they have a very life like visceral quality, if your tastes goes for  warmer midrange, less treble detail and bite, and are not into super tight bass, and want a less thrilling more romantic sound these speakers will not be for you.

Dave and Troy
Audio Doctor NJ

@audiotroy 

I had mentioned the results weren't surprising as the others were considerably more expensive, no missed facts and I instead used them as peers due to Steroplay's subjective scoring system. I didn't know the exact current pricing and wasn't invested enough obtain those figures, but understood they were in orders of magnitude.

I don't agree that the balance of the speaker was a budgeting factor as Andrew Jones has demonstrated the clear ability to design a neutral coax driver for considerably less. They have dynamic and resolution restrictions, but it still retains a balanced response. What I am eluding to is the speaker is specifically voiced and my impression is the goal was to create a vivid and bold sounding product. Budget considerations did come in, but it surfaced in differing manners of compromise. The first is obvious in terms of fairly mundane finishing options.

Now as for the soft dome tweeter, while its certain to have been cheaper over something like Be used in some of his past work at TAD, I do know that earlier prototypes sported both Ti and Al materials. Of the two, only Ti might be notably more costly over the soft dome and the main advantage of Ti over Al in a tweeter diaphragm resides in better internal dampening over Al. I doubt the extra fatigue or sheer strength of Ti made an impact. Strength to weight ratios are similar as are the poission's ratio. You could gain a stiffness advantage in shaping due to the lower density of Al, but shaping is more so used for dispersion over stiffness derived from shape. Why the soft dome? I honestly do believe he took advantage of the higher internal dampening, provided knowing it would serve his design better with its tailored response. A tweeter with resonance issues would have likely seen more exposure of flaws in this design than in others.

Do remember though that Kef uses an Al alloy for its high frequency driver and they applied a pretty elaborate FEA derived shaped and stiffening ring to push resonance up. Al is rather quite capable when invested into, and part in having a lower material density over Ti that gives the potential advantage. This, while not specific material cost, was certainly an engineering expense that I'm keenly aware of due to my own FEA systems that are likely a bit more extensive and horribly costly in their own right.

Where we can agree is that this speaker will require more careful pairing with partner electronics. I would not specify a specific topology on sound profile alone, but instead point to the impedance and phase response first. Since the Adante doesn't exhibit major current dependency, you are certainly more freely able to choose amplifiers that are not low ohm stable. Something that isn't true for the Focal Sopra line as an example.

Just like speakers, electronics can have a voicing. I would bet some of the Simaudio stuff would work well as would Mark Levinson (maybe either not a typical pairing). I have too little exposure to tubes to make a comment here. As for Class D, it depends on the generation and specific design. Some of the very most recent modules are a possibility and I do believe one of those mentioned Peachtree devices use the most recent 300ASP module, which is better in upper frequency response than past ICE designs. Another thought would be Classe, and considering their recent comeback and have produced a sound in recent products that might be complementing. You've certainly made a case for Naim in this regard.