Dedicated Home Theater/Listening Room Suggestions

Dedicated wiring might be theoretically nice, but I doubt it will make an audible difference unless you have an unusual problem. I'd spend my money on acoustics that will make an audible difference.

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"If you want to do it right you need to hire an expert."
(audiooracle)

Tranlation: Hire audiooracle to to do your room for you! (lol)

" I think having a room built for you by a pro can be a con if you are not careful." (chadnilz)

Basically it comes down to relationship here. Which is another reason that anyones advice here is just "air" and "ear-candy" Basically, your simply just not going to know enough to be able to discern what's going to be superb choices and advice vs, one persons biased oppinions!

That, and you'll never absorb enough information, to be able to put it all together. That's why you should consider pro's, and then see their work! If you like, you can be assured they know what they're doing. Even go to a clients home of theirs, from references, and see what they did.
Case in point: I went to a local AVS forum "local home theater meet", and checked out one guys full-on dedicated theater room, that ended up being featured in an electronics magazine. I personally, in my professional experience, thought the system was mediocre, and had lots and lots of design flaws, acoustical issues, setup and calibration problems, response issues, equipment cohesion problems, setting problems, poorly designed seating and and speaker setup flaws, HVAC noise, etc, etc! Basically, there was so much room for improvment, even though it was a "fun room", to be enjoyed. And, it's all good. But it could have been MUCH better, done by knowledgeable people!
So, depends on what you want out of it.
Basically, don't expect to read all the Audiogon posts, AVSforum posts, or Home Theater spot exposes, and even read some acoustics articles, and think you'll have a grasp on this stuff! It takes years of experience with this stuff to know what does what, in what room, with what gear, with what speaker/seating setup, with what acoustics, room construction, settings, etc, etc, etc!

Anyway, back to your questions-I like the advice here about getting help with the wiring, from someone who knows issolation and proper wiring for your needs, yes! Look for reverences on the forums.
Also, know that a company like Rives comes from a 2 channel background, emphesises 2 channel, and constructs theaters around that. IMO, not how a multi-channel system should be constructed, and especially NOT FOR MULTIPLE SEATING SITUATIONS!!! Take even a rectrangular or slanted trapezoidial room, sit in the middle of the room, and you'll have acoustial nighmares, that no EQ or room corretion can fix! (holes especially). That said, how many seats are you planning? What's the overall acoustics of the room, and engineering plans?
Good luck

Also, know that a company like Rives comes from a 2 channel background, emphesises 2 channel, and constructs theaters around that. IMO, not how a multi-channel system should be constructed, and especially NOT FOR MULTIPLE SEATING SITUATIONS!!! Take even a rectrangular or slanted trapezoidial room, sit in the middle of the room, and you'll have acoustial nighmares, that no EQ or room corretion can fix! (holes especially). That said, how many seats are you planning? What's the overall acoustics of the room, and engineering plans?

Actually that isn't true. He does both and he does both well. The differences are not a huge deal to accomodate. A well versed acoustical engineer can do both with the knowledge they have, the difference will mostly be in room layout (seating position, speaker positions, screen positions, etc, etc), level of sound absorption (liveness of the room), room shape/dimensions (if they can be changed), among other tangential issues. All it requires, if you are already an acoustical engineer, is the information on the current standards for home theater design and the ability to be able to apply acoustical engineering principles to the room in a way that achieves those standards. I know that Rives has those abilities, because I have seen his Home theater work first hand... (You can also go to the Rives Audio website and see all the papers they have written, as well as all of the workshops they oversee on these topics as proof of their background in this area!)

I had to choose whether I wanted my room optimized for two channel listening or for surround. I chose two channel. I have seen schematics of his pure Home Theater work and it is just as good as his two channel work that I have seen floating around on these and other fora. I have also been in someone's Home Theater room in the town next door to mine that he designed. This person's room was designed exclusively for Home Theater, not surround music or two channel music. The results are different, and the design is different (and from my research point of view, his decisions in the design are logical/rational and fit the protocols of professional theater design standards).

In particular, even though my room was designed for two channel music optmized listening, he followed certain MPAA protocols in the layout of my seating position and the projection screen (size and seating angle wise), as well as the correct protocols for speaker layout (as far as was possible given my room limitations - they are laid out at the correct angles and I have to adjust for their distances from the seating position in my surround processor due to the irregular shape of the room I could use in my house). He even made a note on my concept drawings that my choice of setup was good for two channel sound, but not so good for surround sound. That was the choice I made when I originally asked him to design the room for the best two channel sound possible, knowng that I would intentionally use digital correction technology with the surround sound to compensate for that choice.

Here is a link to the person's home theater construction thread whom I referred to above: http://archive2.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=673957

My point is, make sure you are correct before you post something that isn't factual like the above quote, because you are incorrect.

Flrnlamb,

The new room is only framed at this time. I designed the rest of the house specifically with things away from the dedicated room (HVAC unit, main floor sleeping area, etc.). I hope that will take care of any extraneous noise from outside of the room. The room is 16' X 26" rectangular with concrete foundation walls around three sides. All the walls are currently framed and insulated. I need only to run all the wires and finish floor and ceiling. There will also be some ceiling bulkheads to deal with as I need to cover an I-beam and some duct work. I'm planning to have the system setup along the 16' front wall and building two short walls parallel to the 16' front wall back about 18' to create right angles to mount bipolar surrounds behind the listening sweet spot. Beyond the two short walls will be a small music area with a few guitars from my past when I used to play. The room is not huge but it will suffice as a get away for some much needed relaxation. As far as number of seats it will be minimal. I learned a few things from my current room in the old house (we move in one week). One think I will do for sure is use carpet but make sure all speaker and subwoofer floor spikes are adjusted to meet the concrete floor underneath. I guess I'm looking for experiences with wiring ideas and acoustic treatments for the room, walls, and ceiling. I will check out the information links provided by this thread so far and hope for the best. Thanks for all the responses to this point. Len

I just moved into a new house with a separate thater room and 2ch music room. I ran a total of 15 dedicated circuits between the rooms, back to separate panels (Equitech for my priority ten) and an isolated ground. I use varying Oyaide outlets for all the circuits. In my music room, by chance I have two circuits relatively close, one using an upgraded Romex and the other the JPS in-wall. Thus I was able to compare them easily and the JPS is far superior. The incremental cost of having more circuits was not that significant. In my case, what I thought was pricy was the JPS in wall wiring, the Equitech subpanel, and the Oyaide circuits. BTW, I did not change any equipment in either system from my old house and the sound for both systems is significantly improved (both are larger rooms than in the old house.)

Good luck

Reg