Vintage DD turntables. Are we living dangerously?

Dear friends: If we analizes step by step this thread and all the posted facts coming from each one of us we can think or better yet I think on it as what happens with a horse/gazelle stampedes where each member runs with out no single and true reason and runs because one to " nervous " member started to run to stay aways from " danger " that not really exist where some of those horses’s stapedes ends when the horses falls down a precipice.

There are several facts that tell us that exist no reason to the 101 " stampede " where no one of you stampede’s members never asked why you run and followed running till falls down: down there.

The " nervous " member that started the stampede not only " figured " that the 101 competes with the SP10MK2/3 or DP-100 or Exclusive P3 or Yamaha GT2000 or other top vintage or today units. Obviously the facts tell and told to all the stampede’s members that the 101 just can’t competes at that level and that’s only one parte of the average mediocrity even its price tell us:

when the mid-fi ( not top tiers. ) Denon ( 70/75 ), Technics ( SP15/25. ), Marantz, Pionners, Onkyo and even JVC models were all marketed with way higher prices than the 101 no one of you took in count. Even the JVC 70 that came with plinth and tonearm its price was only 65K yens ( higher than the 101 and like other 10 JV models the 70 came with coreless motor and double directional servos. ) when the P3 was 650K yens and the DP-100 900K yens and the Final or MS 1800K yens ! !

@halcro do you need more evidence on why I write here that this thread is the " century’s stampede " a glorious one where all the stampede’s members unfortunatily are in that deep cliff.

No, there are so many reasons why I was not a stampede member.

No one of you stopped ( at some time. ) to ask your self: hey what am I doing with? where are those reward? why is worth to do it?

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.

‘Alternate facts’......? 
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Dear friends: Another problem with that kind of " stamped " is that if one member ask to other: where go we?, the answer is: don't ask and keep running. Stamped leaves us to : nowhere. Terrible.

@halcro : """  Unhinged.......? 🙈   """   

‘Alternate facts’......?
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those are your normal answers because almost ever/never have facts and share those " facts " ( if any. ) where you founded your " way of thinking ".

This thread shows that. No one of your posts tells any one you are rigth to started the " stamped ".

Obviously the thread is a learning lessons even for the ones that choosed don't participate in the " stampede " or in that lewm " terrorist " way of think: " change the caps and other parts on those vinatge TTs....... ".

@halcro , I hope that you learned too through this thread lessons . I have to say that I learned, thank's for that.

Enough, time to buy any of the new Technics TTs.

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.

rauliruegas

Dear @downunder : The SP-10MK3 is a great unit but the new Technics design comes with fundamental/vital characteristics/changes over the MK3 where the MK3 can't compete no matter what: the new Technics comes with a totally new motor design and now is coreless, its TT bearing is way superior, the TT platter is way better damped than the " ringing " MK3 and many other superior characteristics.

No, I don't have yet the opportunity to listen it but I don't need to listen to know its superiority and you neither.  (??)

It's the time to let it go the MK3 and MK2s.

Really?
With all due respect to this person, I cannot disagree more with this post.  Where to begin....first, people bear in mind, the drive architecture of the SP10R is cloned from the little brother SL-1200 G.  The new dc motor adds a second set of stator windings for increased torque and like the 1200G is coreless and brushless.  Both torque and power of the MK3 dc motor is measurably greater. The 10R bearing remains tiny compared to the SP10MK3's oversized bearing, its a toothpick.  The platter is multi layered, damped and dynamically balanced, like the Mk3, but weighs significantly less.  The power supply is switching type, not a proper linear power supply, which the MK3 has.  By the way, none of the stated factory specifications published by Technics thus far for the SP10R surpass the Technics Sp10MK3 technical bench specifications, nada = none.  By the way, those whom actually own one can confirm the SP10MK3 platter does not have unwanted "ringing" characteristics.  In my eyes, this makes it more of a new SP10MK2 v.2 per se, than anything else.

I'll be ordering a new Technics SP10R at some point for fun to compare and because I think its a neat refresh of an established benchmark, but need to make some room first! ;)  

Dear @ferrari275:


""" Really?
With all due respect to this person, I cannot disagree more with this post. Where to begin........................................... Both torque and power of the MK3 dc motor is measurably greater.... """

So what, each TT has its own design neccesities.


""" The 10R bearing remains tiny compared to the SP10MK3’s oversized bearing, its a toothpick. .....


Again, so what? are different TT designs.


""" The platter is multi layered, damped and dynamically balanced, like the Mk3, but weighs significantly less....... "


and?, the new one not needs higher weigth.


""" The power supply is switching type, not a proper linear power supply, which the MK3 has. """


So, for you the new unit comes with an " improper " PS? why is that.Could you explain about?. """

""" By the way, none of the stated factory specifications published by Technics thus far for the SP10R surpass the Technics Sp10MK3 technical bench specifications, nada = none. """

It does not needs to surpass it. Can you detect the differences in quality performance levels between 0.015% against 0.014% on w&f? can you detect the differences in quality level performance between -92db against -93dbs on signal to noise ratio? could you?


Sir, from where took you those conclusions in your whole statements?

Maybe from Chris .

The Technics pedigree not only did not changed but up graded from 1981 ( that was the year the MK3 was realeased. ) to this 21 century.

Sir, today is April of 2018 not 1984 or 1990.

Got it?

Btw, this is what Technics has to say about:


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the SP-10R. The new turntable combines Technics’ most advanced digital and analogue technologies, boasting the most impressive Sound to Noise (S/N)* ratio, rotational stability and flutter, and wow ratio of any of its turntables.

The exceptional SP-10R prototype features a new coreless direct drive motor and 7kg heavy platter, for outstanding audio quality.

Reference Class Turntable Promising Outstanding Results

The SP-10R features a brand new, coreless direct drive motor which, in addition to the two-sided rotor drive system that was used in the SL-1200G, boasts stator coils on both sides of the rotor, for a more powerful and accurate sound.

The heavy platter features a three-layer structure consisting of brass, aluminum die-cast and deadening rubber, just like the platter of the SL-1200G. By optimising the natural frequency of each layer, external vibrations are thoroughly suppressed resulting in a beautifully clear and crisp audio experience.

The SP-10R also features a new ultra-low-noise switching power supply, which, compared to a power supply unit using a transformer, is better at suppressing unwanted humming sounds and vibrations. The power supply unit is separate from the main turntable, preventing unwelcome noise from being transmitted to the turntable unit, for a sharper and clearer sound.

Introduction to the Market

Technics is working diligently towards an anticipated early summer launch for the SP-10R, and the new turntable will be interchangeable with systems using the SP10MK2** (released in 1975) and the SP-10MK3 (1981) – the two predecessors which have been highly evaluated by professional broadcasting stations and are still very much admired and used by many audiophiles world-wide. Technics also plans to market a complete turntable system based on SP-10R with a tonearm and other components.

– ENDS –  """

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.