Dear @tli : Scientist?, not me either. As you first than all I'm a music lover. Tonearm alignment is not rocket science. It's extremely simple, almost a kinder-garden game.
The SAT comes with its dedicated protractor and the critical subject is your post that helps in some ways to put some ligth about the designer choosed higher distortions through the dedicated alignment in the SAT where you said that with other kind of normal alignment you said: " thesound was not as good.Dim and flat...". Let me to think in " loud voice ":
the SAT comes with a non-standard knows aligngment by design. J.Ellison says: """ most tonearm manufacturers don't understand pivotal tonearm geometry! "" and I can add that reviewers neither.
It's obvious that the SAT designer dis not likes what he listened with any of the standard alignments ( Löfgren A, Löfgrens B or Stevenson A. ) and he made it calculations for a dedicated alignment where he likes what he listened ( I don't know in how many different audio systems he tested/voiced the tonearm and certainly with which different cartridges. Certainly too no one of us know the tonearm designer priorities in audio/music and his targets/goals to fulfill those personal priorities. ). Exist no mathematic models that can tell me what will likes me or not so he had to do it my test & error till he found out what he likes it.
All the reviewers and owners ( like you ) are in love with and you said:
""" You may call it as distortion, but to me it is a distortion in a good sense. """
sorry but for you or for any one and especially in analog audio there are no distortions " in the good sense ". Distortions at any level and everywhere always are not welcomed even if we like it and are not welcomed because are something added through the audio room/system that does not comes in the recording, it's an added coloration but even if we like these " colorations " all of them are a bad thing are wrong. Our target always must be to have all kind of distortions at minimum to stay truer to the recording that's where MUSIC BELONGS .
We can like those " new " SAT distortions and I can't argue against what all of you SAT owners or lovers like but what I can say for sure is that are wrong.
In the other side, if with a standard tonearm alignment the sound comes flat it can says at least: lower distortions . and this fact is incontrovertible because calculations says the dedicated alignment has higher distortions over the LP surface. @lewm the area between SAT null point is only 46mm against 56mm in Löfgren A but even in between the SAT has higher than with Löfgren A or B.
@tli , you like those " new " distortions and as the other owners can't be in other way because all of you already paid 30K+. So you have to like it.
The designer knews very well what I posted in the MF thread because he showed he read my posts through his answer to my mail and I'm sure he knows the existence of this thread and I think is a clear opportunity for him and all SAT owners that he can comes here or at MF thread and give an explanation why he is rigth on what he did it and why I'm totally wrong.
I think that's the minimum responsability he has ( like it or not. ) with all those in good faith gentlemans that gave those big dollars to him. They all deserves an explanation even if they are not asking for.
In the other side those reviewers have the same responsability to disclose those information in their respective magazines. Which is the each one reviewer explanation on that SAT alignment subject? with facts why they like what they listen trhough other that that no sense subjective: " I like it what I listen " that has no real value against " to be truer to the recording ".
@tli , """ Listening is believing . """, wrong. That's what the AHEE teach every one of us but it's absolutely wrong. Welcomed to that " corruption " where all of us belongs.
That's what we learned, what they on purpose teached but unfortunatelly for us is totally wrong. What you learned trhough is why you like the SAT .
Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.
The SAT comes with its dedicated protractor and the critical subject is your post that helps in some ways to put some ligth about the designer choosed higher distortions through the dedicated alignment in the SAT where you said that with other kind of normal alignment you said: " thesound was not as good.Dim and flat...". Let me to think in " loud voice ":
the SAT comes with a non-standard knows aligngment by design. J.Ellison says: """ most tonearm manufacturers don't understand pivotal tonearm geometry! "" and I can add that reviewers neither.
It's obvious that the SAT designer dis not likes what he listened with any of the standard alignments ( Löfgren A, Löfgrens B or Stevenson A. ) and he made it calculations for a dedicated alignment where he likes what he listened ( I don't know in how many different audio systems he tested/voiced the tonearm and certainly with which different cartridges. Certainly too no one of us know the tonearm designer priorities in audio/music and his targets/goals to fulfill those personal priorities. ). Exist no mathematic models that can tell me what will likes me or not so he had to do it my test & error till he found out what he likes it.
All the reviewers and owners ( like you ) are in love with and you said:
""" You may call it as distortion, but to me it is a distortion in a good sense. """
sorry but for you or for any one and especially in analog audio there are no distortions " in the good sense ". Distortions at any level and everywhere always are not welcomed even if we like it and are not welcomed because are something added through the audio room/system that does not comes in the recording, it's an added coloration but even if we like these " colorations " all of them are a bad thing are wrong. Our target always must be to have all kind of distortions at minimum to stay truer to the recording that's where MUSIC BELONGS .
We can like those " new " SAT distortions and I can't argue against what all of you SAT owners or lovers like but what I can say for sure is that are wrong.
In the other side, if with a standard tonearm alignment the sound comes flat it can says at least: lower distortions . and this fact is incontrovertible because calculations says the dedicated alignment has higher distortions over the LP surface. @lewm the area between SAT null point is only 46mm against 56mm in Löfgren A but even in between the SAT has higher than with Löfgren A or B.
@tli , you like those " new " distortions and as the other owners can't be in other way because all of you already paid 30K+. So you have to like it.
The designer knews very well what I posted in the MF thread because he showed he read my posts through his answer to my mail and I'm sure he knows the existence of this thread and I think is a clear opportunity for him and all SAT owners that he can comes here or at MF thread and give an explanation why he is rigth on what he did it and why I'm totally wrong.
I think that's the minimum responsability he has ( like it or not. ) with all those in good faith gentlemans that gave those big dollars to him. They all deserves an explanation even if they are not asking for.
In the other side those reviewers have the same responsability to disclose those information in their respective magazines. Which is the each one reviewer explanation on that SAT alignment subject? with facts why they like what they listen trhough other that that no sense subjective: " I like it what I listen " that has no real value against " to be truer to the recording ".
@tli , """ Listening is believing . """, wrong. That's what the AHEE teach every one of us but it's absolutely wrong. Welcomed to that " corruption " where all of us belongs.
That's what we learned, what they on purpose teached but unfortunatelly for us is totally wrong. What you learned trhough is why you like the SAT .
Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.