I'm not dreaming - these are great CD copies

Interesting discussion, but what's a CD (grin)?  Since moving to PC audio well over a decade ago and having over 100k tracks on a 10tb HD, I haven't listened to one of the little sliver disks in years....  In fact, most of my DVD's and Blu-Rays are also going the way of the CD's -- to a HD and into storage.

Back in the day, to confirm what others have said, I did notice a positive difference using a CD damper like Herbie's Grungebuster.  I didn't know why nor care, better sound equaled using the Grungebuster.  

Lastly, from all the posts, ripping and burning CD's may be a sonic improvement for some and in some cases.  But it doesn't seem to be consistently positive.  At least not enough to rip and burn everything to another disc.  If I'm doing that, it would be to a HD and copying to at least another HD for a backup....   

In fact, most of my DVD’s and Blu-Rays are also going the way of the CD’s -- to a HD and into storage.

If you look after them, how many CD’s or DVD’s have failed you, then compare how many Hard Drives have bit the dust.

Big difference to me, I’ve lost count how many H/D’s I’ve lost since 1987?, maybe the new solid state ones are better, as yet too small and expensive

Yet I still have my original 1982 first CD Love over Gold and it’s still perfect and sounds magnificent as the day it was bought.

Cheers George

georgehifi
PS: the cd retail stamped vs copy burn pics above comes from Jean-Marc Fontaine just one of digital’s foremost authorities.

>>>Nevertheless, it doesn’t prove anything. This whole is the copy better than the original debate has been around like forever. And undoubtedly it will be around for a whole lot longer.

Nevertheless, it doesn’t prove anything.

Again, sez you.

Cheers George 

@georgehifi

Regarding not proving anything, in this case I’ll agree with @geoffkait . Geoff, I’ve read a number of your posts the last few days. Seems you’ve taken what I’ve indicated elsewhere to heart :)

George, to your point about CD failure versus hard drive failure, consider though how much more expensive CDs are in comparison to hard drive. So the failure rate of the hard drive is moot as one can easily back up a hard drive versus hundreds or thousands of CDs.

Some high level approximate numbers. A CD holds 700mb of data, and most often when burning music to it (80 min) one does not maximizes its capacity. Even when buying in "consumer bulk" quantities of 100 pack spindles of "very good quality", $25 would still be considered a bargain. So, in this example, it costs $25 for 70 gig of storage. I can buy a western digital 8 *terabyte* hard drive for $200.

There are a myriad of reasons I’ve abandoned CDs long ago. I still have 4000 though....