ARC Ref 5se VS ARC Ref 6

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Panprot19
However you also have an even bigger problem in your setup with the amp which is the worst amp produced by krell.

My personal opinion panprot19; is that if one fails in their attempt to set up a component, especially a popular one, and this component is still in good shape and not in need of a rebuild; well, do not be so hard on yourself. I mean really, this thing weighs 200 lbs, and one needs a dolly to move the box. You could throw more than your back out. Also Mono and Stereo amps both come with their own set of pros and cons. The room itself is the bigger influence. Show us a picture of your room with speakers. For seasoned audiophiles, pictures tell the whole story behind people’s posts and have meaning.
Now I know a number of people that made that amp you seem to hate, one of their final ones. Meaning its staying put not going anywhere. Maybe because it weighs so much ? But who owns just one amp anyway ? that can leave you with no music, if it goes down.

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back to the thread. couple comments that were made

The REF 10 is the standard bearer.

Then suddenly I was offered a chance on a factory Ref 10 demo unit in black and that was too good to pass up.

I have always equated company flagship preamps, you know, the ones that really showcase a company’s talents, to preamps with isolated power supplies and adjustable gain. These features separate the men from the boys, imo.
The Ref 10 checks both these two boxes; but why did it take ARC so long to figure it out again after the flagship models of the past that had these features ? A change in people that do the thinking ?

I do see there is room in the REF 10, to put a phono stage. So why did they not do it; I mean if its a quest for the best sonics ? IMO, A separate additional box, and more cables to hookup phono when dealing with that tiny vinyl signal is not a good thing; except maybe in business and profits.

ct0517

I have always equated company flagship preamps, you know, the ones that really showcase a company’s talents, to preamps with isolated power supplies and adjustable gain. These features separate the men from the boys, imo.
The Ref 10 checks both these two boxes; but why did it take ARC so long to figure it out again after the flagship models of the past that had these features ? A change in people that do the thinking ?

I’m not sure what you mean here. The SP-10, SP-11 and SP-15 were all two-box affairs, and they date to the early -80s. When ARC went to the Reference preamp series, it still used two boxes: One for the line stage, one for the phono.

I do see there is room in the REF 10, to put a phono stage. So why did they not do it; I mean if its a quest for the best sonics ?

I’m not sure what you mean here. First you argue that a preamp should be two boxes, then you suggest they should squeeze more into each box.

IMO, A separate additional box, and more cables to hookup phono when dealing with that tiny vinyl signal is not a good thing ...

It’s not a tiny phono signal once it leaves the phono preamp - it’s a line level signal just like any other. And there are advantages to having the phono preamp in a separate box, including being able to site it where it works best, such as close to the turntable.

Cleeds - I’m not sure what you mean here

You are welcome to peruse my virtual system. The answers to your questions are there for sharing. My cards are face up. 8^0

If you still have questions after, I prefer you ask me there. You see the OP TTM has made his decision on this thread, and has no interest in vinyl, phono stages, and tiny, vibrating, resonating, signals.

Curious if anyone has used these ARC Ref's with Clayton M300's?   Considering the next step from a NAC 272 although not sure its necessary.  I won't be moving quickly on this but always start plotting early.