whoom instead of BOOM

Redwoodgarden,

Your post is confusing to me. Why would you define deep bass as 8 Hz, and not the 15-20 Hz available with a big sub? What does an infra integrator do? I presume shake you, because you sure as hell can't hear 8 Hz. What woofer will only go down to 60Hz? That's pretty pathetic performance for a woofer.

I wonder if you confused OP as much as you did me.

db

The large VMPS subs are another option...at least a pair, four would be even better in your room.

You can order them active, or passive, I'd go passive myself.

Dave

I had same disappointing problem with my system. Until I installed MIT one in/two out splitter gizmo on end of toooo cheap (Radio Shack) IC going to sub from receiver, that corrects for low frequency phase shifts/smear from general purpose cables not specific to sub woofer use. Had tried placing sub (DefTech 15") different spots in room and reversing phase etc. Not sure if gizmo still available but suspect better sub-specific cable would help. Let us know how it all works out, this change to my system a few years ago was one of my most satisfying upgrades. Mike.

everyone thank you for your input. i think i may have led us all down the wrong path. 10x18x7 are the exact dimensions of the room, so it is not very big at all. even though a $5000 velodyne dd18 may be a solution it isn't quite my cup of tea. i'd go to a vmps or bag end type. however, i was more wondering if you all knew wether or not, despite decent quality subwoofers, is there a point where they may just get boomy and undefined sounding or is it my room, or are they really not that good. the mirage does sound fantastic at lower volumes. the best i've heard in my limited experience. i am lrking everywhere i know of to try and catch a vmps used for sale. it is tough unting ou there for one on the cheap. i may also go with a clark synthesis. thanks again guys.