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Absolute top tier DAC for standard res Redbook CD

Hi All.

Putting together a reference level system.
My Source is predominantly standard 16/44 played from a MacMini using iTunes and Amarra. Some of my music is purchased from iTunes and the rest is ripped from standard CD's.
For my tastes in music, my high def catalogues are still limited; so Redbook 16/44 will be my primary source for quite some time.

I'm not spending DCS or MSB money. But $15-20k retail is not out of the question.

Upsampling vs non-upsampling?
USB input vs SPDIF?

All opinions welcome.

And I know I need to hear them, but getting these ultra $$$ DAC's into your house for an audition ain't easy.

Looking for musical, emotional, engaging, accurate , with great dimension. Not looking for analytical and sterile.
mattnshilp
audioengr
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I'd have to think the DAC design (DS or R2R) may not be the dominate factor in achieving what you describe. Big factor though, certainly. I would think the room, the speakers and the recording itself would be more prevalent.

Sound quality in an audio system is of course a "system" thing involving every single part.  I feel that both the source and the speakers are the dominating factors.  In the case of my two different DAC technologies, I compared them head-to-head in the same system at the same time.  The D/S won hands-down.

Steve N.

Empirical Audio


audioengr
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Did they even use the same interface?


??? Of course we did.


So, which one was used??

The devil is in the details here. I recently asked a reviewer that did a DAC shootout what interface was used to make the comparison and he refused to tell me. What kind of a reviewer does that?

Did you really only use a passive preamp or direct to DAC for this DAC comparison?

This would give the Total DAC a big advantage, as its output is 6.4 Vrms max, compared to the Briscasti's 2 Vrms.

Another detail that could easily skew the results.

These types of shootouts must be carefully thought-out so a fair comparison can be made.


Steve N.

Empirical Audio

audioengr
3,282 posts
 

Steve, your ethernet DAC only accepts PCM. How do you recommend converting DSD?

I suppose it would have to be the playback software or static converter apps.  There is software that will do this I believe, like HQplayer.  Maybe a new version of dbpoweramp?


Steve N

Empirical Audio

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georgehifi
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Did you really only use a passive preamp or direct to DAC for this DAC comparison?


If you bother to have read it, we also went direct. And there was a preamp (that I didn’t want to mention as Mick Maloney is an acquaintance of mine but seeing you want to know)

The reviewer who’s system we used is Edgar Kramer of Audio Esoterica, Australian HiFI, 6 moons, and is also the principal of Soundstage Australia, and if you bother to do some work you’ll find he also has a Supratek DHT Reference which was used but taken out as it didn’t give what the other configurations gave, as it was too coloured.

https://www.soundstageaustralia.com/index.php/reviews/84-wilson-audio-specialties-alexia-series-2-lo...


This would give the Total DAC a big advantage, as its output is 6.4 Vrms max, compared to the Briscasti’s 2 Vrms.

Absolutely no advantage whatsoever, helps if you know about input sensitivity that the Gryphone Antillion only needs 1v in to give it’s full power out. The Bricasti has more than enough to clip the Gryphone if it needs to.


Cheers George
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ctsooner
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audioengr2,905 posts04-21-2018 1:02pm


Did they even use the same interface? 


??? Of course we did.


So, which one was used??

The devil is in the details here. I recently asked a reviewer that did a DAC shootout what interface was used to make the comparison and he refused to tell me. What kind of a reviewer does that?

Did you really only use a passive preamp or direct to DAC for this DAC comparison?

This would give the Total DAC a big advantage, as its output is 6.4 Vrms max, compared to the Briscasti's 2 Vrms.

Another detail that could easily skew the results.

These types of shootouts must be carefully thought-out so a fair comparison can be made.


Steve N.

Empirical Audio

What reviewer does that? One who has no clue as to what a reviewer does or what a legit review is.  That's pretty sad if you ask me (which you didn't).  Teh problem I have with audio reviews now days is lack of transparency by many/most.  There are just too many folks who get gear for free or at material's cost and then sell it without paying taxes to supplement their income.  I also used to love folks like Tom Gillet who also used his last name backwards to do The Cheapskate Audiophile, Sam Tellig.  I get pen names and all (was a journalism major in college), but he was never on the up and up based on what many dealers and manufacturer's would say back in teh day.  That's why I stopped reading Stereophile on a regular basis.  JMHO
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