I think the argument is if your are happy to spend the money on cables or componentry because YOU feel there is a difference in your listening environment, be free to do so because IMHO THAT is what HiFi is about. Yes there is the physics, chemistry and quantum.... but each of us is different and appreciate changes differently. The micro arguments and opinions are worthless really. Just ego chest pumping. I have used CAT5e cable from my router from NAS to Amplifier, from streamer to Amplifier, then changed to Cat8. The sound was palpably cleaner. I put this to the superior cable insulation of Cat8 (each pair insulated). It is the quality of the signal, not the speed. Its how many packet rejects there is for the message stream not speed. Quality of the cable shielding makes 10GBs/100GBs/1000GBs irrelevant if the continuity of the message packets are interrupted. Quality of cable does mean quality to my ears. Maybe not to yours. I am not debating your hearing to mine. I like what I hear. I am not telling you what you need to hear from my experience. Get it?
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Oh. I could not help my self. I posted. I just love this hobby. Lets not spoil it with egos and insults. We each experience individual changes and nuances in the sound we hear. Isn't that why we have different components that make up our systems to our liking? |
kosst_amojanThere
appears to be two basic sides to this debate. Those who don't buy that
Ethernet cables make a difference, and their opinion is buttressed by
reams of facts. Then you have those who think they do make a difference,
and they have no facts at all to buttress their claim. Their claims
don't even make sense in light of how the technology works This is mistaken. There is a third position in this discussion - it needn't be a "debate" - and that's the one of an undecided skeptic. I certainly understand those who reason that there should be no audible differences at all between competent Ethernet cables. The very nature of digital transmission suggests that if the signal can be transferred without error, the output should be identical to the input and the sound should be the same. That's not difficult to understand.
Yet multiple audiophiles here using a variety of systems attest to substantial differences between these cables. Because in the past I've been quite surprised at what can make an audible difference in a sound system, I'm reluctant to dismiss those reports with a wave of the hand.
Complicating this discussion - again, it needn't be a "debate" - is the remarkable vitriol from the "nay-sayers." Those who report differences are often vilified as delusional, or "snake-oilers" getting rich while perpetrating some sort of fraud, or worse. Those claims come from just a few of the forum's contributors, and are repeated with regularity at anyone who won't accept their position ... including myself. This nastiness is often combined with illogic, most commonly the errors of circular reasoning, the excluded middle and ad hominem attacks, which of course undermines their position. And I'm trying to be kind here. Oddly, those posters who argue that science is on their side readily abandon it when asked if there's any valid scientific listening tests to support their claim. Indeed, it has become apparent that some of them have no familiarity with the science of such tests, which has been pretty well established, and which I've referenced previously.
I'm not a big fan of scientific listening tests, which I think are mostly a waste of an audiophile's time. I've participated in a few and the results were interesting, and I've proposed that perhaps as a group we could design a test that could be conducted in public to test the Ethernet claims. But who opposes such tests? Those who claim science is on their side! This seemingly intractable position only ensures that the "scientists" will continue their attacks against those who are simply reporting what they hear.
Of course, there are those who have offered to participate in such tests provided money is at stake and agreements made with attorneys to "protect" participants, or who have required other preconditions to testing, such as following an unscientific protocol. Those forum contributors can't be taken seriously.
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@amg56
I think the argument is if your are happy to spend the money on cables
or componentry because YOU feel there is a difference in your listening
environment, be free to do so because IMHO THAT is what HiFi is about.
Yes there is the physics, chemistry and quantum.... but each of us is
different and appreciate changes differently. The micro arguments and
opinions are worthless really. Just ego chest pumping
I agree with you 100% that is why I am not going to waste my time and precious listening time with this thread so game over for me. I am fed up with ludites who will not even let someone else have a say without even having the good manners to have their say without resorting to fasehoods.
Seemingly it is all in my imagination and that to a man that went through up till he was in his 30s playing classical guitar at a level where I was giving concerts regularly. When family comitments changed and my wife became ill I had to give it all up and care for her but do remember I still have my ears , they are quite perceptive yet and I do know what I am looking for so it is not all in my imagination.
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May I ask guys with The Ear to describe or qualify the difference you notice depending on the Ethernat cable?
I suggest two categories:
- Quality of a music
- Quality of a sound
First one relates to the purity of the instruments, voices, etc.
Second - presence/absence of parasite noises, distortions etc.
IMHO you should notice only second one. |
