What's happened to the used high end market recently?? Sales are tough....:0(


The heading says it all!! What do you guys think is the reason that the sales in the used high end market have gone soft??
Prices too high? Economy too slow?? Stock market too volatile?? Something else??

Thoughts....
daveyf
@jmcgrogan2 thank you for your comments, John.  Hope all is well back in the Philly area...

You bring up excellent points on the internet and the state of society.  Obviously, the web turned most retail businesses on their ear.  My previous point was the rising price trajectory of one to two orders of magnitude crippled what we used to considered the audiophile world, and shrank it more than proportionally. Though the internet rose at the same time, I don't blame that on HEA's decline, as it could (should?) have actually grown the hobby. Personally, I'm surprised this many brands have survived until today.

Of course, you may disagree with how I see things...

I saw the internet change high-end audio in several ways.  The information explosion provided sources far beyond the two magazines.  The many internet publications, forums like Audiogon, and email allow us to discover and discuss brands, setup, experience, etc. we often had little to no previous knowledge of.  We transcended the days of relying on the advice of friends and local dealers, with this newfound access to these brands and their personnel yielding almost instant satisfaction compared with the days of sitting down to write and send off an actual letter or the once expensive long-distance telephone call.  Going the other way, it allowed the mom and pop or one man band audio companies to compete on a more level than ever playing field with the bigger names in the industry by providing low to no cost advertising and the ability to interact with a nationwide and even worldwide customer base, and to even bypass the need to build a dealer network via direct sales and eCommerce.  Except for a very few companies that guarded geographic integrity, buyers now interacted with a far greater dealer circle and used component wells.  All of this increased price competition on components to something that just didn't exist. 

Still, component pricing took off on a level that we could not have imagined 20 years ago.  Back then, most considered a $4K speaker the investment of a more than dedicated audiophile.  Somewhere around 5 years ago, I almost fell off my chair when I read a post here lamenting the flaws of a product, "you just can't get that good a speaker for $35K."  Things have only gotten more expensive since.  Call me out of touch with current reality, but I still believe one can buy an awfully good loudspeaker for $4K, though that now often has to come from the used market.

Anyway, in the past decade, I've turned the other way.  Having access to now afford the kind of things in life we used to dream of as younger men, I find less fulfillment, and even disappointment in the bigger, more expensive, garish item, audio and otherwise.  It's a rare component, loudspeaker, cable built to impress that actually satisfies me.  I feel happier and hear more music and soul in the simple typical 10 - 50 watt tube amplifiers than those with more than 100 watts, or additional and complex circuitries designed to take care of myriad supposed issues.  I could say the same for loudspeakers, etc., but the point has been made

Terrific replies to this thread.
Some things to contemplate this Mother's Day Weekend.  ;-)
Great post trelja. I still question the reason behind the more recent trend in the market...the one that has seemingly majorly softened the market for used HEA. Trying to sell some of the gear on portals like the one that I am typing on, has---at least according to several of my a’phile friends-- resulted in almost having to give away gear! OTOH, we are constantly hearing of the new HE product that is pushing the asking price into the stratosphere. Presumably there is a market for these pieces...and a big enough market that it makes sense to continue to push the prices upwards and upwards.
Looking at the new WAMM speaker or the new D’Ag Relentless amps would seem to bolster this trend. Not sure how many of the buyers can truly afford this gear, but there must be enough for the manufacturer’s to feel safe enough to produce it.
Hate to think of the potential loss of $$ once it gets to the used market, LOL.
The equipment was always..supposed to be about servicing the music.

When you look at the whole scenario and package presented in the now, as presented to anyone looking at it, as potential to listen... you can’t blame the younger folks for going for the music first, over the equipment.

The very idea and emergence of Napster and it’s wild ride - told you all you needed to know.

First we had to build the ability to actually listen to prerecorded works. Done.

Now we are technologically evolved to the point that today’s mediocre technology, at low cost, can serve as a conveyor belt into many magnitudes more of music, as compared to all situations prior. And moreso every day.

Nevermind all the connected socio/cultural-politial-coporate/economic indicators.

The view and reality presents some very simple choices.

It really is all about the music. Not the gear.
I think expert audiophiles are getting so much amazing sound quality from TC paste, aftermarket SR fuses, and Tekton speakers that all HEA components and speakers are totally obsolete...