SAEC Making Tonearms Again!

"The WE-8000 is the only SAEC tonearm where the offset of the headshell is correct.The SAEC 506/30 was designed to be used with 10" and singles only. It’s geometry does reflect it. Out of curiosity I have calculated a different alignment for the 506/30 which does suit 12" records MUCH better" - @dertonarm

I’ve been thingling about that statement made by Dertonarm. Looking at my SAEC SS-300 mat i can say that even this mat was designed for singles (7’ inch records) and LPs.

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This is the ONLY mat that i know with special concave for 7’ inch records while the other mats are totally flat. I believe SAEC did a great job for professional market back then.

As i said earlier if it was made for radio stations then the main format for new material on vinyl is SINGLES (7’ inch records), all promo material for the radiostation released by the labels on singles to promote the best tracks from the LP long time before the LP will be even pressed or available for sale. This is how the industry used to work back in the days. Singles with signs like "promo use only or D.J. copy" is typical for any radio archives. One song per side, about 3:50 min only, 45rpm. I believe @dertonarm is right at some point with his statement about SAEC tonearms, but i can just add that SAEC mat is also designed for singles! Think about it.

Some people really like the SAEC tonearms and don't seem to mind the alignment.

Here’s Miyajima Lab’s reference system where they refer to the SAEC WE308 as having the "structure of an ideal arm" (this particular headshell does not allow twisting the cartridge): http://www.miyajima-lab.com/system.html

And here’s thuchan posting on his "best turntable system" including the SAEC 506/30, which he has praised elsewhere, and the cartridge looks to be sitting straight: https://audiocirc.com/2018/04/24/best-system/

dER @sampsa55 : Your SAEC references posted means alñmost nothing.

Ignorance is the all " war's mother " and " impressive " systems means first than all that the owners are whealty ones but is not a true foundation that they have a high audio/music knowledge levels.

After the FR tonearms SAEC is the second worst design. SAEC tonearms are really builded with very high quality excecution and this is not under question but its true quality performance levels against for example other vintage one as the MAX 282 or vs some Technics models or even against today top designs.

Did you listen in your system or other very well know system the SAEC along a very good know cartridge by your self? compared vs other tonearms in the same system. Which other tonearms and with which other cartridges?  could you share your first hand experiences?

Btw, whom is thuchan?

R.

Dear @perkri:  "  no shame when insulting anyone who questions, or has an alternate viewpoint to your own. "

I don't have a shame because I'm not insulting any one. Ignorant is a person where his knowledge level is really high in a specific regards, ignorant word is not an insult but is a word that we can use in the time is need it.
No, it's not because some one is questioning me or have a different point of view but if those point of views are full of ignorance then that person is an ignorant and I'm not insulting. What that person must to do is learn.

I'm ignorant on several audio subjects ( still now. ) an over the time I try and learned on some of them.

" Absolute " knowledge just does not exist. No one has it.



"""  Music, live or reproduced, is not about math. It is about ART.."""

that's why I attend at least once a week to listen live MUSIC and yes is an ART and that's why moves each one of us, wake up our emotions/feelings.


"""   in a previous post, made you myopic attitudes quite clear as you have lambasted the SAT tonearm because it doesn’t facilitate your "math". And, you have done so without having ever heard it.  """

totally wrong your assumption. The main issue is that " facilitate or not " the math.
The main issue was and is that the SAT 32K tonearm came/comes with a wrong choosed dedicated alignment and the only thing I did it was to disclose it.

The absurd/no sense here is that you blame me for it ( to disclose the information for the very first time. ) .
I'm a simple audiophile as you are and if you want to blame some people that must be to the " proffesional reviewers " because that information was and is their main responsability: inform to their readers true information. TAS/ST reviewers just did not and as a fact no one but me did it but please don't blame me about because rigth now you are better informed on the SAT.
Btw, why need I to listen the SAT when I already know is wrong on that very critical alignment issue?. 

All thos reviewers in that specific SAT regards were ignorants and corrupted because when we don't give true information or disclose what is our responsability this fact is: corruption, it does not matters if it's by ignorance or in purpose.

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.

I guess it really is personal preference like anything in this hobby.  The Technics turntables are an amazing value and in many ways are better than the SME 20 that I heard.  The 20 sounded a bit thick and as much as I tried to like it, the 1200 G is not only less expensive, but outperforms the older design.  That is to my ears.  I also discussed the possibility of adding an SME V to the 1200g with a very prominent reviewer and he said, "don't bother".  I must say that I agree with that assessment.  The stock arm is fantastic but must be carefully matched with headshell and cartridge to get the best performance.  However, the stock headshell is great as it depends on synergy with cartridge.  Its an amazing freebie with this table.  I am sure there are better, but many would be extremely satisfied with stock arm IMO.  I have spoke with others that are regularly using 5,000.00 plus cartridges with the stock arm.