Art Dudley Calls B.S. but without naming names - PLEASE DO!


Hey all,

As someone who hasn't been reading the audiophile press for all that long, I stumbled upon this article that I'm sure it lit up these airwaves when it was first published: https://www.stereophile.com/content/skin-deep

It's a great article and one that any knowledgeable person would most likely agree with, but hey, spending your own hard-earned (or inherited) money is a right and a privilege.  Art does call out some brands that he perceives to give great value:  AMVR, VPL, Conrad-Johnson, DeVore and Harbeth and Kimber and Peachtree and Quicksilver and Rega and Rogue and Spendor and Wavelength.  Shouldn't NAD be on this list?  

But what he doesn't do and I think is warranted, is name the companies that are most egregious in selling high-end products where the performance is far below the cost.  

I, for one, would love to see a list of those manufacturers from the people who read this forum.  You can group them by what they manufacture or just put them in order as you see fit.  I think it would be most helpful in calling b.s. but with "added-value", which is what this whole article was all about.  Right?

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It's so difficult to judge value in audio products, especially speakers.

OK, so we know that the actual cost of wood (or other materials), drivers, and a few electronic components is nothing like the retail cost of the speaker.

But... production has to be set up, with all that that entails.  And then there's the question of how you amortize all the preparatory work (some would call it research) that went into finalizing the design.  There are all kinds of costs everywhere.  Employees, buildings, packaging, advertising, distribution, the dealer (up to 50%), to say nothing of profit for the maker.

It would be fascinating to see a pie chart, provided by a real speaker manufacturer, of how the retail price is divided up.  Then we might be better equipped to judge value.

That being said, there are plenty of instances where, to the outsider at least, there are two speakers that seem to belong in the same bracket yet have radically different prices.  That's what leaves me scratching my head.

Many of my " non audio " friends and family members have never, ever considered me crazy, or frivolous, with my passion. I always paid my bills, raised a child, and really did the best I could as a family man ( I have been told ). In fact they all enjoy ( enjoyed ) my system ( s )....... A story, for those who would like to read it, as there is a point or two near the end................In 1996 I was privileged to be part of the N.Y. Stereophile Audio show at the Waldorf. My good friend, and his business partner, were the US distributors of Jadis, and were introducing their new horn speakers, the Eurythmie ( a hybrid actually), set up with the most expensive components Jadis manufactured. I am guessing the total system cost was about half a mil. Because of my expertise in evaluating and tweaking horn speakers, they hired me to be the show demonstrator ( cd was the only source, although a phono stage was part of the set up ). Neither of them owned horns, although were at my place many times. I had a ball at the show. I did not talk much about the gear, as all of the engineers and Jadis owners were there taking questions, although for the 3 days we were there, we mostly played music, from my collection as well as music brought by show visitors. Many of the cds were purchased at the show. A special highlight for me was when Pierre from Mapleshade stood in the back of the room, and then approached me, giving me a few of his own cds ( to keep ), as long as I played some tracks ( This was on Friday afternoon ). The room was far from perfect ( as all hotel rooms are at shows ), but the system was still capable of showing off it’s many attributes. During the 3 days, orders were being taken ( yes, checks were written ), by show goers. I do not know the specifics of how the money was distributed ( I believe the monies went to a dealer near where the " customer " resided ). This was 22 years ago. So, I am not surprised at the high prices of the equipment. There are people who can afford it. Another point I would like to make. If I hit the lottery, I would have no problem buying this system, and having a home built, with a professionally designed soundroom ( many soundrooms, actually ). Maybe an expensive collection of fine cars as well, although I am not a car guy as I am an audio guy. Of course, I would take care of my family members and friends, and give to so many foundations and causes in the world. I am just sayin... Enjoy ! MrD.
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A special highlight for me was when Pierre from Mapleshade stood in the back of the room, and then approached me, giving me a few of his own cds ( to keep ), as long as I played some tracks ( This was on Friday afternoon ).

>>>>>An exceptionally deft maneuver.