How much do I need to spend to get a preamp that sounds better than no preamp?


Hello all.
I'm using an Audible Illusions L1 preamp and I think my system sounds better when I remove it from the signal path. Oppo BD105 directly to SMC Audio DNA1 Gold power amp. I have read that there is level of quality you need to hit before there will be an improvement in sound. I can't seem to find what that level is. Any ideas?
Thanks in advance,
Ben
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You can just put the gain control at some random point like 3:00, but is that the optimal point? Not clear. One would need to know a lot about the circuit design to make that call. I’m not surprised AI isn’t getting involved in the answer, as it can be quite complicated. It’s also why few amplifiers actually have gain controls (except for vintage ones, and that was because of the wide variety of speaker efficiencies back then).
I would have thought the least amount noise would come if the master is at or near full for loud listening, then the gain level if it is controlling the "tube gain" it’s then only increasing any noise to a minium level, as tube noise/distortion increases at the same rate as the gain will.

Cheers George
My AI seems to sound best with the gains at full volume. Is this possible? Never tried it before. Always leave them at 12 o'cock.
Just bought the McIntosh C47 preamp, very similar in performance to the C52 that was reviewed in the latest TAS. Very nice, much better than going straight from my dac to the Classe monoblocks. Plus I needed  preamp since I also have a tt and a cd/SACD player. When Going straight from the dac into the amp, the sound seemed lifeless. The preamp has made the SQ come alive, more spacious and the instruments are more articulated/distinct.
Keep in mind, there are no right or wrong solutions here but rather what the Op likes. We could give scientific measurements from now on (don't think for a minute they are not appreciated) but you already know it really comes down to what the OP perceives as the best sound, at least to his ears. Apparently he likes the dynamics of an active preamp ( like his L1) but again I would consider the McCormack passive preamps as an alternative for greater dynamics.

The audible Illusions L1 offers a really good sound for the price and for some reason much of the competition in its price range don't come close. Yes they can be a bit hard on tubes. When I had mine I ran the same tubes for two years without failure but most of you know that many of the NOS tubes are not durable enough to last without premature failure. So it really comes down to using durable tubes or at least what is recommended by the mfg. Another thing to consider is that even though you might turn the power off the tubes are still lite at a lower voltage .