Talk but not walk?


Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


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mapman
Crazy threads like this surely must scare some curious newcomers away. Too bad.

>>>>The Peanut Gallery checks in. The Euro-nator is back. 

Hi Mapman I do want to respond to you.

Michael has been receiving emails and even calls (I've been there) during this thread and the members here are happy to see MG's presence and if anything have been asking for more of it. Their feeling is that he is refreshing honest and doesn't put up with BS. He told me a couple of days ago "the thread is not going anywhere and the OP is being played out in real time". The way to judge integrity is not by the ones speaking the loudest but instead by the ones who have peace within themselves.

Prof

As others have said, you really don't belong on this thread. Your anger and rage are apparent. I believe someone pointed out that your interpretation of MG is only because of your view of life. You don't seem like you are someone who has much joy to share. At least your not able to do so on here.

I suspect folks might be mistaking persistence and Gila monster like perseverance for anger and rage. One thing I admire about Michael having interfaced with him more than the average bear, hand to hand combat, MG, May and Peter and me, every day for two years,  is he will not walk away from an argument. He’s like an animal! 😬 If anyone else can’t stand the heat of serious debate or is a little bit timid they should probably stay out of the kitchen. Let’s get cookin’! 👨🏻‍🍳
MG is indeed a breath of fresh air and is onto something we could all learn from. The confrontational posts continue to derail any hopes of this and others threads ever amounting to anything of real value. Not every subject matter and thread is about debate and arguing. Can we hear about what tuning measures, devices, stands, platforms, modifications, gear etc.., was used to bring about such engaging music?