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Talk but not walk?

Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


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amg56
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@jf47t or Michael or who ever you are pretending to be. Your answers are becoming more like a personality change. Quite erratic.

I didn't contribute to this post to be told the OP didn't want to talk, and we were not walking as he expected us to viz the title "Talk but not walk?"

If you/he can't deal with a push back, asking questions of your/his "technique" then perhaps the provocative opening to this thread, telling readers that they are "Faking" ""IT"", should not have been made. Is it any wonder why quite intelligent people here are asking for an expansion of ways we can "UN-FAKE IT"?

It was you who said

"Prof amg or whoever your getting angry at a guy who is doing nothing more than tuning a guitar. Michael might as well be tuning a piano, guitar or any other instrument or a stereo."

I simply asked in the same analogy, show us. To which you flippantly told me to find out my self. Are you running out of ways you can answer an honest question with out being evasive?

Enjoy your tune life. I'll enjoy mine hugely. At least I will be able to commune with people who wish to partake with intelligent responses.

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Sounds to me like some of the combatants, especially the more vociferous ones, are pretty satisfied with the status quo, in a self congratulatory kind of way. 🙄 One can’t help wondering why they’re here still demanding answers. If you’ll pardon me for saying so they don’t seem to fit into the definition of audiophiles desperate or at least striving for better sound. For some folks like your friend and humble scribe there is no stopping place. There is no audio Nirvana. You need look no further than the fuse threads and the new Graphene contact enhancer thread to get a glimpse of the future. Well, maybe not your future, but the future for more uh, active audiophiles. 😬
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amg56
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@geoffkait Your "audio Nirvana" is not necessarily better or worse than mine. Just different.
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geoffkait
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amg56
Not to be combative but I suspect you might have misread my statement. I said there is no audio Nirvana. By that I mean there is no Absolute Sound. This concept of No Absolute Sound is closely linked to the concept of the Audio Hierarchy I described somewhere the other day.

Made the scene
Week to week
Day to day
Hour to hour
The gate is straight
Deep and wide
Break on through to the other side
Break on through to the other side
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geoffkait
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prof wrote,

“Does anyone else here think it unreasonable to ask a Michael Green devotee how the Tuneland forum would react to a post with the character of the one Michael made here?

I doubt it.

Is anyone here, at this point, surprised that a Michael Green devotee evaded, evaded and evaded again answering this reasonable question?

I doubt it.”

>>>>I don’t see what you’re getting all worked up about. I thought the fellow (Jay) from Tuneland did an excellent job explaining how Tuning works. Where’s the beef? 🍔 This is just another scene straight out of 12 Angry Men.

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