Talk but not walk?


Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


michaelgreenaudio
glupson
geoffkait,

Making contradictory statements renders either of those statements potentially incorrect and therefore not worth considering in any discussion. What life is contradictory to means nothing in this case, if that statement itself is even true.

It would be helpful to know how true audiophiles define themselves.

I am not sure what grasshoppers you are referring to.

>>>>I suggest filing this whole exchange under strange and mildly irritating but whatever. I’ll write this off as another case of someone taking MGs OP comments just a little too personally. 😬
geoffkait,

"Stalker alert! Obviously a disengenuous stalker of the cheap innocent loaded question variety. And just as cheap innuendo."
Not every question is meant to be as malignant as you seem to perceive them. Some are just simple questions. My question to jf47t was one of them. Asking about something I could not understand at all. I am not sure how it came to you considering me a stalker for just asking a question, but I will file it "under strange but whatever" as you suggested.
geoffkait,

Since I posted my last response to you, I noticed that you changed your previous post to include MG's OP. You are right, I took them seriously and I abide by them. He started with "This isn't meant to start the fight" and I have been successfully avoiding any fight here. He also ended his original post with "be polite" which I am also following to all eight letters. I do not call people crazy, cows, clowns, grasshoppers, stalkers, or anything else that freely flows in this thread. I try to stay within the topic discussed, even if it is not always related to the original post.

I was mistaken Michael told me the instrument is an oboe not a flute. He played me two recordings so I could identify the difference. My apologies to Mr. Holliger.

I'm also sorry glupson I thought you were kidding me. After the adjustment and settling the "oboe" didn't stick out over the other instruments.


glupson
geoffkait,

Since I posted my last response to you, I noticed that you changed your previous post to include MG's OP. You are right, I took them seriously and I abide by them. He started with "This isn't meant to start the fight" and I have been successfully avoiding any fight here. He also ended his original post with "be polite" which I am also following to all eight letters.

>>>>I was actually referring to his admonition to those who only talk the talk when I said you probably took it personally. 😬

I do not call people crazy, cows, clowns, grasshoppers, stalkers, or anything else that freely flows in this thread. I try to stay within the topic discussed, even if it is not always related to the original post.

>>>>Well, aren’t you special?