Talk but not walk?


Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


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Robert (Audiopoint)

Nah, it’s not that complicated. The only common links I have with you are I was the first distributor for Audiopoints you were the second. You were one of my dealers. Then, you worked for me for 9 months. All that happened 20 some years ago. I’m not sure we have anything more in common than that.

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


The wood part is simple too, I like the sound of instruments so I make my products out of the same materials.

As far as the questions asked on this thread I'm glad that those of you who were more serious have taken the time to visit or even join TuneLand. I'm looking forward to getting to know you and tuning together. Also thanks for the emails. By you sending me your pictures and your descriptions I'm able to get a feel for your sound, you've been great!!

mg

"I eventually found difficulty in taking the required time and patience to dial in a single recording because listening time is always cut way too short."

The opposite is true for me. I find tuning to be a must for listening. You can tune to one setting and leave it like that, or you can tune per recording. Since meeting Michael I spend all most all my free time listening to my system or going to hear live music. Everything music means more to me now like I'm a part of it.

I'm surprised you had difficulty tuning. I find it surprisingly easy and fun. Of course MG is a very good and patient teacher. He gets you thinking and doesn't waste time on theory building. He simply knows how it works and does it. Again talk and walk. I find the hobby of listening to be more enjoyable than someone talking maybe and if. I also feel good in the fact that tuning has been around forever and stereo is still a baby. There's something about tuning that makes sense out of the hobby. Especially when you read all these conflicting theory builders go at it like they discovered something new. I feel better about using what has always been there.

Speaking for myself and keeping it succinct so as not to interfere too much there isn’t much I wouldn’t do to get better sound. In fact, I would hang chicken bones all around if it made the sound better. Is that wrong?
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