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Talk but not walk?

Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


michaelgreenaudio
audiopoint
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@gkait

I am guessing we hit a nerve? Really enjoyed our conversations over the years despite personality conflicts so tell me (based on your education) who is more important to advancing audio - mechanical engineers, sound engineers, aerospace engineers, electrical engineers, architectural engineers, bio engineers or professors that teach engineering?


What are your protocols for becoming a “real engineer”?


Not to burst your bubble but I’ll bet a D.E.E. working in traffic design for a metropolitan city gets paid a lot more money than you. Add to that the good Dr. is saving human lives to boot!

How has your degree helped you in running a retail business other than checks and balances?

Are you actually looking down on those who you obviously feel are beneath your grade and level of education? In my opinion that takes everything you have learned, everything you stand for, everything your professors taught you along with your ability to communicate with others right down to the dump and lets them there. Oh yes let’s not forget those most important sanitary engineers for without their expertise the world would be a very different place indeed ⌣.

Your turn...



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geoffkait
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You really enjoyed our conversations over the years? Are you a masochist? 🙄

I always said you got your ideas from MG. OK, now it’s your turn. 😬
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geoffkait
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nkonor
Will you place your order for “Total Contact” now? Try it and report back?

>>>>>If your question is adressed to me, which I think it is, I am the proud owner of the Graphene stuff. Have been for some time. Do you really think I would have overlooked or ignored it? 😳
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amg56
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@geoffkait I stated I studied Civil Engineering which branched off into road design and traffic engineering. i studies materials, structures (stress/shear/cantilever/moments/compression), geology, fluids, economics, business, etc, etc. i also stated I held a commercial pilots licence, through which aerodynamics is taught.

Please do not show your ignorance of engineering, and of Traffic Engineering. If you look at sonics and acoustic engineering, traffic flow is much the same, and fluid dynamics. Flow, compression, density and dispersion.

Not as simple as people may think. Then add to this driver behaviour which involves psychology and other factors. Then factor in a vehicle break down which complexes the flow dynamics further.

So, in essence my studies and work in Engineering is another form of what the OP is doing and what @audiopoint has written as explanation to my questions. I have a good idea of what is the theory, but the practical is a question I have been seeking answers for.

Thank you @audiopoint and @theaudiotweak for your candid explanations, the subject and answers of which I am finding on various forums and websites.

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amg56
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@geoffkait your ignorance and sarcasm does your credibility no favours.
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