Talk but not walk?


Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


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Robert

I don’t know what to tell you. Hopefully the Mods will consider deleting what you said, I’m not the mod here.

All I can really do is state again what I know. You worked for me for 9 months in the 90’s sometime. I guess your now claiming to know what I did 20years before that and what I am doing 20years after you were let go. That’s all there is really, except that I also distributed a product "Audiopoints" a decade before you picked up the line. And you were a dealer for me.

The rest of your story is of no interest to me except that it might trigger the report post status, which I stated above.

@geoffkait "Yes, I’m the one staliking him

Honestly, I found the number more than surprising when you posted it. Maybe because mapman’s posts seem rational, well-informed, and kind explains why they never struck me as excessive or overly ubiquitous.

>>>>Yeah, right. You two must be in the same wavelength."

Oh, I’m sorry, Katie. It must burn you up watching the person you endlessly chase around bullying receive the compliments you pine for, but I really didn’t mean to hurt your feelings
trollja, I’m filing your post under WHATEVER. Moopman has been yearning for an admirer for like forever. Happy you found each other. Maybe he’ll stop stalking me although I doubt it.
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Because it keeps getting sidetracked. At least that seems like the obvious and clear answer. This is not to say the off topic posts are completely without merit.  It simply states why the thread is not marching forward with useful tuning information. I define off topic as the picking apart of words and statements looking for perceived ill motives and ammunition to call into question the character of posters.