Which material sounds better for speakers construction? Wood, Ply or MDF?


Im guessing they use mdf these days because its cheaper.

vinny55
helomech 

Not really I was just hoping that you had hit the sheets for the evening. 

Want to make sure vine gets his monies worth out of this thread. 


@richopp,

@helomech Thanks for the comment. I am sorry the 1.7s did not meet your requirements. I might suggest some agonizing reappraisal, to quote a ’70s 7-UP commercial.

As you clearly understand, your ROOM is the most important element in any sound reproduction evaluation. Possibly your room was not set-up correctly for the 1.7 experiment? I will admit that this is a real chore and may not ever be right depending upon the room. I have years of experience doing this and can state that there are some rooms that simply do not sound right with dipole speakers. So be it!

HOWEVER, you seem to be an open-minded individual, so might I suggest that you give it another go at a dealer who knows what they are doing in their shop and listen again to a comparable model of non-box and box speakers in the shop where they are all set-up correctly? You might be surprised at the quality of the sound, or not. The objective, of course, is to make sure YOUR chosen system sounds the way YOU want it to in YOUR ROOM!

I owned a pair of Maggie 1.7is for about 4 months - after a year long stint with Monitor Audio Silver 8s. I had the Maggies in a dedicated and treated 16x26x8’ room, so they had plenty of breathing space. Power was from a Parasound Halo Integrated. When I first auditioned them, they were being driven by $30K Devialet Monoblocks. I subsequently auditioned them with my own amp and while they were better than the MAs, they didn’t exactly bowl me over. However, I liked them over other speakers I heard that day (in their price range) and took a pair home. Unfortunately, I began experiencing fatigue from their treble. I did an absurd amount of experimenting with placement to alleviate it, but the only thing that worked was resistors in the jumper terminals. That limited their transparency to below that of the MA Silver 8s.

A couple months later I heard a pair of Spendor SP100s at Acoustic Sounds. It was a revelation. This was before I began going to audio shows, but even so, I still consider them some of the best speakers I’ve heard anywhere. I subsequently auditioned Harbeths, Spendors and the Stirling Broadcast LS3/6s in my home. Each was better than the Magnepans and by a significant margin, even their imaging. What really struck me was how they produced greater detail, despite being less fatiguing. I settled on the Spendors because they were the most "musical" of the bunch to my ears, however, the LS3/6s were the most impressive regarding typical audiophile terms. To say they were merely better than the 1.7s is an understatement. Knowing what these monkey coffins can do, I simply don’t understand the hype surrounding panel speakers.

As for value, I found both the KEF LS50s and Vandersteen 1Cis offered more bang for the buck, even in my large room.

I think I gave the Maggies a fair shake. I respect that others like them (they’re not terrible speakers by any means) but I also suspect that some of their devoted fans haven’t heard some of the best that box speakers have to offer. If I’m wrong, then I suppose it’s simply a matter of personal perception - a matter of Laurel vs Yannie.

Back to the car at the stoplight with the music blaring. What I hear is this horrible distorted bass, a result from the back of the drivers getting the whole car excited and actually increasing the volume because the car now becomes a huge driver. 
This happens in speakers as well, get the cabinets excited and the room goes crazy and out come the bass busters. 

With monitor speakers due to the smaller cabinet size there is far less resonance of the box. 

Big speakers big problems. Cabinet materials that have a low resonance
are slow to eliminate them. So they store them and release them slowly thereby smearing the image. This is a fact and widely recognized.

 
Big speakers big problems. Cabinet materials that have a low resonance
are slow to eliminate them. So they store them and release them slowly thereby smearing the image. This is a fact and widely recognized.
Give it up dude, you obviously have not the slightest understanding of speaker physics. I'll await your reply with a claim of BS credentials.
@helomech Thanks for the informative reply.  Clearly you have found the items that work best for you in your room and for your musical taste.  As a former dealer, THAT WAS JOB 1 for us!  I suggest the boxless speakers only because we had much success with them and when A-B comparisons were made in our shop, they came out best.  Remember, this was in the '70s-'80's, so life and speaker technology  has improved dramatically since then.  I have seen $200,000 speakers for sale for homes...no comment.  Interestingly, I have noticed that many manufacturers are either raising their speakers on stands or designing them to be 6' tall.  I wonder where they got that idea???

Finally, a listener is NEVER WRONG!!!  You like a, I like b.  If we all liked a, life would be boring and only one company would make speakers, not over 300 at any given time.  I love the hobby for many reasons...some because I am retired from the business!...and respect everyone who is involved from any perspective.  It is a great hobby with music at its core.

All I can suggest is that you find a super-high-end dealer in your area who has the latest 30.7's running in a proper set-up and give them a listen.  Of course they are ridiculously (to me) expensive, but seeking the best and then buying what you can afford that gets you as close as possible is what the hobby is all about, IMO.  I hear you loud and clear that you found better than the 1.7 units.  Possibly the company has heard you as well and has figured out how to fix that--at an outrageous price.  Then again, that is the way of the world.  Race cars pretending to be daily drivers cost a bundle but don't do any better getting you from a to b than cheap cars.  But a prancing horse on your car costs a ton more than a bow tie!  Enjoy the music...

Cheers!