Talk but not walk?


Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


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jf47t,

"n) There is no replacing physically doing. Talk does not replace walk."

You just hurt the feelings of all the theoretical physicists in the world. Thankfully, it does not appear that any is on this thread. Many times, it is easier to do something than to figure it out by thinking about it. There should really be nothing wrong with learning how to swim before trying to swim the marathon. You can practice and perfect it by doing it, but first learn what to expect.

Many events cannot replace something else, but they can complement it. It is synergy that brings benefits, not exclusiveness. It may not have anything to do with the intent of this thread, but that is how it goes in general.

prof,

You are mean to such a cute little thread. By the way, I think I am getting a grasp of what the problems discussed really are.

glupson
geoffkait,

I was asking about trolls as you have put me in that category. Unfortunately, I am neither Scandinavian, nor short.

>>>>Yes, it’s puzzling. Have we discovered a new species? Do you live under a bridge? Perhaps under a train trestle. 🚂 Do you live in the tube? Besides, I’m pretty sure glupson is Swedish or Danish. Have you checked Ancestry.com? Try saying glupson five time fast.
The only puzzling thing is why you would consider me a troll without knowing much about me or my appearance. I live in a residential building.

Manufacturers and Dealers have no business owning threads on the AudioGon Forum. The floodgates will open once ‘free - no cost marketing and advertising’ is discovered. I will write a letter to management in order to have them weigh in on the topic.


Currently manufacturers and dealers are permitted to participate on threads and we appreciate having that capability however in my opinion, our contributions should end there.


Robert

Star Sound