Talk but not walk?


Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


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prof,

Do not worry. You won't be missing much if you went away for a month and then came back.
geoffkait,

Sarcastic or not, you are right about Wikipedia. I learn from you, but have not started copying and posting from Internet to support my claims. I will work on it, once I cannot make my own sentences about something..

My gosh guys. We need to keep track of all this LOL. I see cows, dogs, cats, cherry pie (that was mine), ex employees showing up, Geoff has had some entertaining stuff, your usual mad men, folks who can’t read an OP and understand it or insist that it has a secret meaning, trolls post getting deleted right and left (some of them the ex employee). A weird inquiry about my stay in Nashville (that might be good). The MG cult of happy listeners, people in a hobby that does plug & play or tweaking or tuning (not knowing it’s all the same hobby), listeners saying their systems can play everything wonderfully without tweaking (that’s a good trick). Oh a clip we all love from "A-now", a guess into each ones education (knowing the average todays 6 year old knows more than all of us), my age (no I wasn’t offended glupson, I love my nice long gray beard) oh (so do the ladies). jf47t becomes famous off of one thread, other posters trying to get famous after thousands of posts, some needing to check in with the counter for their nitey nite meds, some I think might be selling meds. The OP totally playing itself out in real time, other forums now picking up on the thread and talking about it, someone some where sold a used amplifier, an audio show just happened somewhere. Friends of MG’s reading this thread rolling on the ground laughing (did I mention madmen here).

And me, well I’m now talking to my agent to see what kind of % I can get for the sitcom. And most of all it’s just a bunch of guys wasting time, oh average age 72. I wish I could have been here more now...well....maybe not but it’s still good!

Michael (thinking about changing my identity) Green lol


PS I think after all this I might just be a genius after all, who do I call to find out? peace my Brothers be happy

If average age is 72, someone must be 112. Man, you really made it. Congrats.

I will agree with Michael Green, this is an interesting bunch of something. Who is the first one to figure out what that something is, has ice-cream on me. I mean, I will buy her/him an ice-cream.