Where do I go from here?


    • Marantz AV-7005, pre/pro (with balanced outputs and 1.4a HDMI);  Rotel RMB-1565, surrounds and center;  Rotel RKB-650, mains w/ bi-amping;  Martin Logan Motion 20, mains;  Martin Logan Motion 8 Center; Klipsch SW-10, subKEF iQ-5, surroundsKlipsch RS-41 II, surround backs
  • Alright y'all, here is your chance to help out the newbie with your thoughts and opinions. Thanks in advance for what you may offer.  I have the above system, which is sounding really nice, with many of the qualities I've been looking for, but the upgraditis is creeping in, (again, sigh) and I am wondering which of the components may represent the weak link to my music listening nirvana?  As some my recognize, I recently added the Motion 20's to the lineup, much to my satisfaction, but where might I go from here.  I'm thinking my better half may let me get away with another $1500-2000 before I'm sleeping with the system and not her, LOL.  Since I'm more interested in the musicality of the system, listening to a mix of female vocal, rock, and dipping into the ambient realm now and then, I'm considering the replacement of the Rotel RKD-650 with something in a nice stereo configuration, possibly 3-channel to pick up the center. I'm really looking to broaden and deepen the soundstage as much as anything.  What do you think?
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    After reading some reviews it sounds like the ML Motion series may be geared to be more of a "front row" perspective rather than further back, so meaningfully increasing depth of stage may not be in the cards. Apparently pulling them out further into the room didn’t help too much, which would make sense if they’re designed more for an upfront presentation.

    Since this is a system being used for both multichannel and stereo I’d shy away from tube amps. No sense burning up tubes to watch TV or movies IMO. Although your speakers are stated to be 90dB efficient they’re also rated at a nominal 4 Ohms impedance, which means they probably dip below that somewhere in the frequency range (the Motion 40s drop below 3 Ohms at around 100Hz so likely the 20s dip around there too). Anyway, for all these reasons I’d avoid tube amps. I’d also recommend a good stereo amp rather than monoblocks -- no strong reason to pay up for two boxes in this situation, again IMO.

    Just FYI, adding a stereo preamp to your system wouldn’t add much complexity at all -- I know that sounds a little hard to believe, but it’s true especially if you get a preamp or integrated with a HT bypass. My best and most cost-effective advice, and what I’d absolutely do myself if I was in your situation, would be to add a good solid state integrated amp. You’re only adding one box to your system, and you’re killing two VERY important birds with one stone by adding a better dedicated stereo preamp and amp. Going direct from your Marantz doesn’t change the fact that the signal is still passing through the preamp section (and the rest of the electronic morass) of the prepro, and at that point the damage is done. Something like a Parasound Halo Integrated or a Hegel H190 (among others) would likely bring very significant improvements to your 2-channel experience. Here’s a link to an H190 review that actually uses your speakers in the review system: https://www.soundstagesimplifi.com/index.php/equipment-reviews/29-hegel-music-systems-h190-dac-integ...

    Incidentally there’s an almost new H190 available here now at a $1000 discount. Best of luck in whatever you end up doing.

    Again, great advice, thank you (all) for your insight.  I am absorbing all the good info and will take my time and not rush into anything.  Perhaps a little more tweaking before I pull the trigger on a bigger ticket item.
    soix, how much would I be sacrificing for the Hegel 160?  I see one of those at TMRAudio in my price range.
    I'm a little unsure as to how an integrated would meld into the existing HT?  It would replace the RKB-650 obviously, and serve signal to the mains from the DLNA feature or the DVD audio. but how would I switch to HT and the Marantz and RMB-1565?  Sorry, but I said I was newbie ;-)  Extra insight would be greatly appreciated.
    sounds like the ML Motion series may be geared to be more of a "front row" perspective

    I suspect that this could be caused by the ribbon tweeters of the Motion. I feel that ribbon tweeters can be bright/forward sounding.  The same character occurs on the ribbon of the Monitor Audio Gold/Platinum series speakers.  It is just too much and too forceful in the highs for my taste.  They are just a little bit too hard edged for me.  The conventional tweeters of the Monitor Audio Silver sound more natural to me.  Just my personal taste.

    In this sense, the warmth of the Marantz 7005 could be beneficial here.  I would be careful of choosing the Hegel because they have very high resolution, but they can be a touch cold sounding, which might not be a good pairing with the forward sounding Motion speakers. 

    The Parasound Halo integrated is good, but keep in mind that it's just a A23 amp with a larger transformer.  It's not going to match the performance of the larger A21 amp.  I have read several comments that the smaller A23 amp is a poor performer in comparison to A21.