Where do I go from here?


    • Marantz AV-7005, pre/pro (with balanced outputs and 1.4a HDMI);  Rotel RMB-1565, surrounds and center;  Rotel RKB-650, mains w/ bi-amping;  Martin Logan Motion 20, mains;  Martin Logan Motion 8 Center; Klipsch SW-10, subKEF iQ-5, surroundsKlipsch RS-41 II, surround backs
  • Alright y'all, here is your chance to help out the newbie with your thoughts and opinions. Thanks in advance for what you may offer.  I have the above system, which is sounding really nice, with many of the qualities I've been looking for, but the upgraditis is creeping in, (again, sigh) and I am wondering which of the components may represent the weak link to my music listening nirvana?  As some my recognize, I recently added the Motion 20's to the lineup, much to my satisfaction, but where might I go from here.  I'm thinking my better half may let me get away with another $1500-2000 before I'm sleeping with the system and not her, LOL.  Since I'm more interested in the musicality of the system, listening to a mix of female vocal, rock, and dipping into the ambient realm now and then, I'm considering the replacement of the Rotel RKD-650 with something in a nice stereo configuration, possibly 3-channel to pick up the center. I'm really looking to broaden and deepen the soundstage as much as anything.  What do you think?
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    Just to be clear, you’d still be using the Marantz for HT (and multichannel music) duties, it just wouldn’t be involved in critical 2-channel music duties.

    Well, I’ll weigh in with my own personal experience, which is why I responded to this post in the first place. First, especially among people newer to the audio sickness, the stereo preamp is possibly the most under-appreciated component as to how much it contributes to a 2-channel system’s ultimate performance. A while back I was using my Rotel RSP-980 prepro (not a bad piece in its day either) in the same way you’re planning to possibly use your Marantz, and it worked well with my McCormack DNA-0.5 Rev A stereo amp (pretty much comparable to a Bryston 3BSST BTW). But the first time I substituted a good stereo preamp for the Rotel for 2-channel listening there was absolutely no going back. Feeding a very good stereo amp with the stereo preamp section of a $1500 prepro is most likely going to cause a significant bottleneck in your 2-channel sound. Think about it -- you just can’t economically put high-quality (or properly shielded) parts into the stereo preamp section of a $1500 prepro, not to mention that the fragile, low-level source signal is going to be routed through a noise-polluting electronic obstacle course with all the additional electronics involved in the various functions of a prepro. Believe me, I get it how nice it would be to use the prepro to do it all. Been there done that. Audiophiles who want to do that spend many thousands more on their prepros to get a truly good stereo preamp section (think Krell, Anthem, Theta, Classe, etc.). A $1500 prepro? Sorry, just doesn’t add up. Please take it from someone who’s been there. Now, if you get a good stereo amp now with the intention of adding a good stereo preamp later, that could be a very good plan as well. But it will take longer, be considerably more expensive, and add yet another box to your system. This is why I thought a good stereo integrated was such a nice fit for your particular situation. One and done on the relative cheap. OK, I’m done. That’s all I got. Best of luck in whatever you decide.

    Thanks again, and in the FWIW column, I am definitely leaning toward the Hegel.  If I opt not to do that, I will eventually be upgrading the Marantz, for sure.  I won't say cost is no worry, but I can find a little here and there when I need it (by selling something usually, lol).

    I would agree that the Parasound integrated would not be as good as the Hegel.  The Parasound Integrated is nice and it's at a great cost point if you need an integrated with all those extra features (i.e. subwoofer crossover, phono preamp input, etc.), but it's not going to be as clean/clear as Hegel. 

    That being said, the Hegel is a very clean and articulate sounding integrated.  I don't know how good of a computer system you have, but I would suggest listening to some youtube videos.  Look for ones with Hegel H160 and others with Parasound A21.  Though the Hegel is extremely clean and articulate, it's my opinion that it can be slightly on the sterile or artificial side (much like Bryston used to be with their SST2 and previous series).

    In my own opinion and tastes, the A21 is a much more natural sounding amp, but still has the clean sound and attack/detail.  However, it's a pure amp (not an integrated), so you'd have to use the Marantz full time for now.  You can still add a preamp in the middle for doing preamp duties on dedicated 2-channel sources (i.e. external DAC, etc.).

    It is true that an integrated or a preamp/amp will likely sound much better than the Marantz pre/pro.  Even though the Marantz has discrete analog output stages, it likely uses op amps for the input stage of analog sources.

    soix and I have slightly different preferences on how we would proceed in such a system.  I would probably be going after the A21 amp first.  He would suggest going integrated first.  One thing to know here is the A21 does have a much larger power supply than the Hegel H160.  With your speakers that will drop down 3 ohms in areas for the woofers, having a larger amp/power supply will help provide stronger midbass and bass body.  Not that the Hegel would be bad at all, but I've found that the amp power supply does have some heft in this area.

    A21 is just one amp suggestion. There are others, like you have said (Bryston, Anthem, etc.).  All have their own sonic character that they bring. 

    Thanks, aux.  As I am going to sleep on this for a few days before I pull the trigger (and maybe sell a motorcycle in the meantime) it may come down to what's available and when.  Hegel, Parasound, I believe either would be a definite step in the right direction.  Anybody want a very slightly used RKB-650 for their office?  Wait, maybe I do ;-)

    Before you sell a motorcycle to buy a new component, try a decent power conditioner.  That will improve just about ANY system significantly.  If you later decide to upgrade components, the power conditioner will make THEM sound better too.

    IMHO, with limited $$, that should be your fist step.  Personally, I like Shunyata - effective and neutral.