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Fundamentalist Fervor

What is with the self-proclaimed "objectivist" contributors here who wrap themselves in the cloak of "science" and insist that they're faith based beliefs be accepted by all without question, challenge or doubt. I am not going to name these people here because it will likely result in this thread being deleted and that is not my intent but these "naysayers" as some here describe these people typically have no first hand experience with the matters upon which they produce they're pronouncements and proclomations and when challenged on that they recite their theory of some basic physics premise that is incomplete, improperly applied or not relevant or else they simply say it is a matter of common sense. You can identify these people easily because they have what Americans call a "trigger finger" and will rapidly label anything they don't understand as "snake oil" or "placebo-induced" or fairy dust and then demand that other's prove their claims with some test they say is easy to undertake but which they don't undertake themselves because they don't even have the product with which to experiment! They are a form of fundamentalists and my question is why do you think they are here what is their point if they don't hear differences at all?
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amg56
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@clearthink You might be best reading the forum's policy before having a go at me. I posted same on the tweaks threadā€¦

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So I was not inappropriate in bringing certain affairs to light. Best you Clearthink yourself before slagging off at me, or my opinions, which so happens to be site policy.

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shadorne
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Nothing fundamentalist about a skeptic. Skeptics simply challenge ridiculous claims that make no sense at all. When unscrupulous sellers charge 100x markups for miraculous tweaks that cannot possibly make a difference then warnings from skeptics are simply helping to prevent fraud.
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shadorne
Nothing fundamentalist about a skeptic. Skeptics simply challenge ridiculous claims that make no sense at all. When unscrupulous sellers charge 100x markups for miraculous tweaks that cannot possibly make a difference then warnings from skeptics are simply helping to prevent fraud.

The very definition of a pseudo skeptic. The sky is falling, the sky is falling! šŸ„
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A sceptic is only called that, by persons who have no factual backing about the subject they preach. ThoseĀ people useĀ empirical opinions as facts. Ok nothing wrong with that if the subject is ethereal, rather thanĀ of aĀ solid substance. If something is solid, then it can be factualised, rather than vocalised.

I think some poster's do not know the difference between the two, or prefer to ignore that logic, for convenience or those that are simplyĀ ignorant of this.

Now, are you calling someone who is "objectivist":

- one who practices objectivism, which is the formulation of hypothesis into fact which is able to be demonstrated repeatedly such that people can read and understand the science behind, in this case a product?

- one who objects to hypothesis on the grounds that it cannot be proved?

- one who belongs to a group who practice objectivity, i.e. one who remains apart emotionally from the "science" (for instance), such that the "science" remains emotionless - or fact - which is pretty dry..

One wonders who is actually practising "Fundamental Fervour"? It would appear your dissertation Mr C needs a bit more thought, rather than fanning out a spray of accusation.

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There are people who post in these audio forums and others who think they are the only ones who can properly evaluate audio equipment. They think they are smarter than everyone else because of scientific tests, experience or just arrogance. Many just want to boast and have someone recognize their intelligence? I donā€™t think of anything as fundamentalism, just being dumb, arrogant and bullish. In fact, one or two had posted criticism of a recently deceased audio engineer, a successful businessman when the purpose of the post was a memorial. The thread was defended because we all are entitled to opinions and the classless poster stated not ā€œRIPā€ or anything positive, it was negative criticism of the products!
Also childish attacks back and forth get very old quickly. If one thinks a product is snake oil, fine state that and move on. But the bottom line is YOU dont have to buy it. Just respect the fact someone else may enjoy that tweak. If someone luvs the $10k speakers cables they have, so what? One does not have to make it a career to prove they donā€™t justify the price. The universe will not fall apart. Some people here are so obsessed with proving something does not work, instead of enjoying their audio system and allowing others to enjoy their systems.
BTW if I see someone I think is donning the Kings Crown ( writing with misplaced authority and unwanted boasting) I stop reading anything they write. Hogwash!
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