Fundamentalist Fervor


What is with the self-proclaimed "objectivist" contributors here who wrap themselves in the cloak of "science" and insist that they're faith based beliefs be accepted by all without question, challenge or doubt. I am not going to name these people here because it will likely result in this thread being deleted and that is not my intent but these "naysayers" as some here describe these people typically have no first hand experience with the matters upon which they produce they're pronouncements and proclomations and when challenged on that they recite their theory of some basic physics premise that is incomplete, improperly applied or not relevant or else they simply say it is a matter of common sense. You can identify these people easily because they have what Americans call a "trigger finger" and will rapidly label anything they don't understand as "snake oil" or "placebo-induced" or fairy dust and then demand that other's prove their claims with some test they say is easy to undertake but which they don't undertake themselves because they don't even have the product with which to experiment! They are a form of fundamentalists and my question is why do you think they are here what is their point if they don't hear differences at all?
clearthink
There is actually another thread here that looks at this same issue, but from a less provocative angle.

In both cases the answer is really the same: There is no shortage of those who would tell others what to do, think and believe. The best response is to think for yourself.

@clearthink I believe it was you who initiated this thread to put a few noses out of joint? So what is good for the goose and all that...

But believe me, I am not paranoid or creepy and certainly not as foul mouthed as you, (regarding the end of your post to @unreceivedogma in the cables thread) hiding behind capital letters. Why not come out and write it in full?

"....the best response is to think for yourself." That sounds so easy! Yet, there are so many, that take the LAZY(or, "miserly") way out:
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/xLm9mgJRPvmPGpo7Q/the-cognitive-science-of-rationality
amg56"I am not paranoid or creepy and certainly not as foul mouthed as you, (regarding the end of your post to @unreceivedogma in the cables thread) hiding behind capital letters’

You look plenty creepy and paranoid to me and if you do not like my contributions here you are free to direct your complaint to the team of Moderators who monitor, manage and control this group it is not for you to direct me as to what I can say here. You're interference here is actually helping this thread because it illustrates some of my concerns with the contributors here who bludgeon others with their religious fervor and strict fundamentalist belief systems so you can leave me alone now and by the way what grade are you in in American "grammar school"?
Anyone with an interest in audio is at liberty to spend as much money as they wish. Some may simply want maximum  sound quality for their money, some may want certain features eg tone controls, equalizers, USB inputs, some may want certain aesthetics, and some might want it all.

What nobody wants is to waste money on products which have no substantiated qualities other than some sporadic accompanying spiel. This is commonly the case when it comes to cables, contact enhancers, conditioners, spikes etc 

It wasn't that long ago when some enterprising individuals realised that they could make far more money simply by rebranding stock cable and taking out a few high profile ads.

Forget about years of R&D and advanced engineering, that's way too hard and way too risky an investment. This is the way to go for a fast buck. Many have followed since, and many more will follow.

Now we see all manner of such products all purporting to enhance listening pleasure, competing on the market.

The OP is basically asking why some people dare to question the claims behind these products. Perhaps he should be asking whether any of these products have actually made any difference in the history of audio other than to the bank balances of the concerned parties.

Of course it's always up to the individual to decide how they will spend their money (funny how so few tweaks are free) but it does leave a bad taste in the mouth of those who have been swindled in this manner.

So it's only fair to warn the inexperienced. I would say that if you want to try such a product then at at the least make sure that you have a decent no quibble money back guarantee. That way you can be at least a little more confident in the veracity of the vendors claims. 

The old Latin phrase caveat emptor (buyer beware) is shamefully relevant in most things audio. I hope that answers the question.

 


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