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Talk but not walk?

Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


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@geoffkait How dare you! You miserable excuse for a person. Do you want a copy of my diagnosis? You smart mouthed little person. Do you think cancer is funny? Do you think it does cause pain?

One person asks how I am feeling and you pull this stunt. are you showing off, because you have nothing else to contribute?

Oh, you are a shallow, callous narrow minded disgrace. You are certainly not humble and no scribe. You are a grub.

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geoffkait,


Regarding your comments about amg56, knowing when to curb yourself or stop is necessary in any communication. You lost any residual credibility that anyone might have thought you deserved based on an occasional post or two where you did seem to compose a lucid sentence. Your views of Internet forums as a vehicle for sadistically insulting people from safe distance are deplorable.


Regarding your comments about prof and me, please see above.

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jf47t,


My comments may not be that useful, but neither is that poetic divide between "talkers" and "walkers". No matter how many times I try to ask, there is no answer how to recognize either of them. Where is the line that separates talking from walking for the purpose of this thread? What does the "talker" have to do to become a "walker"? Build his own listening room with his bare hands? Find a contractor to built it to his specifications? Buy as good/expensive of equipment as he can in hopes of achieving better sound without constructing or doing anything else?


I understand that Michael Green is a "walker" because he does something. I take it that you are the same for same reason. I accept that I am a "talker" because I have not done those things that you do daily. That is clear, but maybe neither of you have done things to improve your daily enjoyment of music that others have done. If I am correct, are you just "talkers" then? I do not think it matters, really, but that was the original topic.


Having said that, somewhere in the original post was a statement that it is easy for certain people ("walkers", I believe) to figure out through few Internet posts who is a "talker". How? Unless a person declares herself/himself as such. How do you (whoever that "you" is) decide it?

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glupson
geoffkait,
Regarding your comments about amg56, knowing when to curb yourself or stop is necessary in any communication. You lost any residual credibility that anyone might have thought you deserved based on an occasional post or two where you did seem to compose a lucid sentence. Your views of Internet forums as a vehicle for sadistically insulting people from safe distance are deplorable.

>>>>Please don’t insult my intelligence. Actually I did not insult amg56. Besides, he’s the one who keeps mentioning his physical and mental condition, not me. He’s mentioned cancer at least three or four times. For someone who just joined Audiogon he has mentioned his cancer and his upcoming diagnosis a bunch. Besides, if things are so dire, why is it taking so long to get a diagnosis? It’s been what, a month, since he mentioned it? You guys are such drama queens. You wanna be somebody? Go on Dr. Phil.

Not mention the suicide issue in his family he brought up the other day. I mean who does that? Come on, people! And if that weren’t enough he goes out of his way to attack people on this forum constantly. Hel-loo! Issues! Trolls like yourself and amg56 shouldn’t be so hypersensitive, or pretend to be. Whatever. You guys should go on the Dr. Phil Show. It’s a talk show. You can talk through it. 🙄

Regarding your comments about prof and me, please see above.

>>>>Whatever.
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