Talk but not walk?


Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


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kosst_amojan
Why’s there this sideways expectation that folks aren’t legit audiophiles unless they indulge in all the snake oil?

>>>>>Well, in glupson’s case, it’s because he’s told us he isn’t a legit audiophile. He even said last night he’s just an onlooker, that he has nothing to contribute. Duh! 🙄 In the case of some of the others here, I suspect they’re either disinterested, overly skeptical or don’t get good results with what little they do so they give up. Sound familiar, Costco?

I’m walking,
Through streets that are dead
Walking,..

glupson
jf47t,

That was innovative. Thanks.

>>>>See, why is it always the talker who feels compelled to respond to every single post? Come on, people! Snarkolepsy is a misunderstood malfunction. If I can be a little snarky myself glupson sounds a bit like a Cub Scout ogling a Playboy magazine.

Snar-ko-lep-sy
A psychological disfunction in which the person is sleepwalking but still snarky. Often found in trolls and wannabes.
Prof

He’s then asked reasonable questions such as:

1. What measurements can you present to support your claim there are changes between a tied and untied capacitor?

2. How do you relate those measurements to audibility?

3. How did you test this hypothesis while controlling for variables like imagination and bias?

Then the OP runs away from those questions. And has an underling take his place in continually avoiding any tough questions, supplying instead constant over-the-top praise of the OP.

Leaving us to question the OP’s actual commitment to empiricism and "walking."

>>>>All of which makes no sense because empirical implies either measurement or observation. Duh! So this whole Strawman argument is just another troll. Prof hasn’t done his homework, even his Uber Skeptic’s arguments are flawed. It’s SO obvious. Demands for proof and measurements are the last resort of the dedicated pseudo skeptic. 😡

I tell you I can visualize it all
This couldn't be a dream for too real it all seems
But it was just my imagination once again runnin' way with me
Tell you it was just my imagination runnin' away with me