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Talk but not walk?

Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


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glupson
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thecarpathian,


I was quoted on Tuneland for saying people here have been polite enough not to infiltrate Tuneland. They got named "cockroaches" although for cockroaches better word would probably be "infest". I warned Audiogon crowd would have a field day there and it is better that two sites stay divided. Well, the dam has broken and Tuneland is here now, for better or worse. If nothing else, it will increase the traffic at Tuneland which may be a fair trade-off.
glupson
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"Also, no fuse, no transformer, no interconnects, no speaker cable."

Could a headphone cord be considered an interconnect or, more likely, a speaker cable?
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thecarpathian
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@geoffkait - Do NOT make me push you off the swings at recess....


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thecarpathian
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@glupson- just got done reading the thread you're talking about as well as another one regarding this thread. It was....interesting. Not so much a forum, but a cult. A collective MG worship mentality. And Mg's picture. It's as if he's trying to emulate the Almighty Himself in human form...

glupson
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thecarpathian,

Yup, that is what I found, too. Not much I could find about actual tuning and what to do about it, but it was interesting nevertheless. I am glad I was directed there. It could not be used for audio-topic, but in sociology and a few more branches of behavioral science, it would be good for a thesis or two. That is what my "interesting" referred to. A whole new world I was unaware existed. Almost giving up on gaining any more knowledge about actual music reproduction, I read with real interest. What I find either strange or, if it is all real, disturbing is the fact that most non-MG posts are written in the same manner. As if it was only one person writing them. It is probably not true, but having only one-minded crowd around rarely brings any progress. And to be that similar? As jf47t once mentioned in his reply to me....scary. Unless it is really only one person writing. Then it would be a mix of baffling and sad.


On the positive side, Michael Green that I know from this thread here comes across as less of a religious figure and more of a person you/I/anyone can agree or disagree with and imagine meeting in real life. In other words, more down to this planet. I have had no complaints about him here, despite some disagreements. In fact, I think he is an asset. I wish he visited more often. He does make me think and consider things from angles I am not used to.
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