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Talk but not walk?

Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


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theaudiotweak
2,797 posts
 
Glupson,

Always in search of materials and shapes to speed the removal of unwanted resonance from a component, speaker or musical instrument. Also working with material shapes and concepts that act to limit energy from returning up and back into the exit point and shape. The understanding and limiting of how returning energy can corrupt the signal path is fascinating. I would expect this to always be a work in progress. 

Mitch 2,
I dont make springs or use them. By nature they restrict resonant energy from leaving a component or speaker and may even increase interference under a device in motion..such as a turntable and speaker. Tom
jf47t
116 posts
 

"This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite"

http://tuneland.forumotion.com/t440-talk-but-not-walk-an-audiophile-forum-case-study

glupson
7,842 posts
 
jf47t,

Good one.

PS. Why are you wasting electricity? Think about trees, birds, and blue skies.

http://libguides.usc.edu/writingguide/casestudy

https://awc.ashford.edu/tocw-guidelines-for-writing-a-case-study.html
glupson
7,842 posts
 
To all,

http://libguides.usc.edu/writingguide/peergrading
mitch2
3,973 posts
 
@theaudiotweak 
Geoff
Your springs present no exit path for resonance to vacate the parts or the chassis..Ours do and furthermore they reject energy from below that attempts to re enter either by hard contact or by reflection onto the Audiopoint.
I misunderstood your statement about "ours do,"  I guess I thought you were some sort of springsmith or coil Captain.  Maybe you ought to try a set of Geoff's springs...he swears by them, but MG swears at them, and @jf47t (and/or Harold) swears that MG's springs are better.  I have trouble keeping tabs on the Green Team and who plays which position.
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