Talk but not walk?


Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


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I said this thread would be fun but I didn’t say for who. I had no idea it would turn into a whiners convention. If you don’t like the way something is going or whatever the best courses of action are to (1) avoid it if it makes you angry or you find yourself making dog-like noises or (2) contribute something of substance or try making a joke sometime. Geez! Ask not what your forum can do for you. Ask what you can do for your forum. Hijack the thread. Do something! Entertain me! 
Very shortly this will approach the TaraLabs cable thread as the biggest space waster in the forums. 
glupson

geoffkait:
"Why would the dudes from Star Sound go to Tuneland to stalk MG since they’re doing an excellent job stalking him right here..."

That is what is confusing. If I understood it right, the stalking thought was about Star Sound people going to Tuneland. That ranting and raving and self-promotion (hyphen was missing in the post I am referring to which, I am certain, was not good English) is being attempted by more than Star Sound dudes. If anyone, Michael Green was the first one who started advertising his website on this thread. He even signed every post with the link to his website. It is really not that important, but just to remain fair.

>>>>MG advertised his web site here that’s true, but he probably doesn’t want his former employee and his little buddy coming over and rocking the boat. I’m rarely wrong in these matters. He wants newbies like yourself, someone more like a clean slate. Just my opinion.
Katie....
Unfortunately I really do not have anything useful to contribute to this thread.
But that would put me in good company from what I see.....

Jokes?
Thought that was your speciality?